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I still don’t think it’s going to cost a future 1st to get the last of the big five QB prospects, but obviously I’m assuming one of Jones or Lance falls to around 15 or so. The Cardinals gave up a 3rd & 5th to move up five spots to draft Rosen back in 2018. I’d expect something similar to move up from 20th to the 15th pick range.

Trust me, I’m not excited about the guy who traded up one spot to get Mitch Trubsiky (when Mahomes & Watson would have been available), signed Mike Glennon to a sizable three year deal, and traded a 4th round pick for Nick Foles (a player the Jaguars would have likely given away or cut) making our next QB selection. But at this point, even if Pace selects the next Josh Rosen hopefully that will give his replacement the draft position to select the next Kyler Murray the following year.

If they’re not planning on drafting a QB, then why not at least go for someone like Mariota who is also a question mark but with far more upside and could theoretically become the long-term answer? I still think they draft a QB in the 1st or Pace would have done something much bolder given his lame duck status.

If the Bears aren’t planning to draft a QB, then this is an abomination of a move.

I fully disagree that Foles is even a temporary option and Bears fans saying as much are doing so simply because he’s already on the roster. To be honest, I think most of the hate here is Bears fans being pissed about losing out on Wilson. I get wishing we had $10M to invest elsewhere, but if we know Foles is not the answer then it’s a small price to pay for a potential improvement at QB that requires zero long-term commitment. If he fails, we simply kick off a rebuild a year from now with a new GM in a place and possibly a franchise QB under contract. Again, I’m not overly excited about this move, but Pace was always going to do something like this at minimum and the long-term risk here is basically zero. Would you have preferred Tyrod Taylor or Alex Smith instead?

100% agree. Foles was a horrible move from the get-go and this only cements that. And I would have loved to gamble on Winston on a one year deal instead of Dalton, but I’m assuming that wasn’t possible. Personally, short of a Wilson or Winston trade, I’m just glad we’re not committing multiple years or major assets to a B or C tier option.

I don’t think you realize that I’m complete Pace hater and have zero faith in him. That being said, I just don’t think giving Andy Dalton $10M is the end of the world IF we draft a QB. If Wilson or Watson weren’t available, what would you have done exactly?

Because Dalton is likely better than Foles. If you’re trying to make the playoffs next year with a rookie QB in the mix, I’d rather have Andy for 5 to 6 games as the starter and then as my depth / insurance policy option than Foles. Personally, I think that’s worth $10M. Some of you guys are acting like we just signed Mike Glennon to a 3/$45M deal here, when in reality this isn’t a lot of money given how fucked we currently are at the QB position. And as for Foles, the trade for him last year was a terrible move by Pace, but we don’t have to accept him as a viable option just because he is under contract and has dead cap hit if moved. He failed last year in this system under this coaching staff and has lost the benefit of doubt going forward. The focus now becomes who we get in the draft and if Pace doesn’t come out of the draft with one of the top five prospects then he clearly has failed and signing Dalton will prove to be a total waste.

It’s only weird if you view Dalton & Foles as being interchangeable, but I can totally see why Pace might not feel that way. Again, I’m not a huge fan of this move in isolation and obviously it’s a huge letdown vs. a possible Wilson addition, but I will wait and see what the rest of their plan is for the offseason before I totally lose my shit. As long as they land one of the big QB prospects (which is clearly not a guarantee), I’ll be ok with this move.

Because my view is Dalton is likely better than Foles and that Foles will be gone as soon as we draft a QB.

Mitch can’t reliably pass beyond 10 yards and a better line wouldn’t change that.

Look, I didn’t get to watch Dalton enough last year to know what he has left in the tank. What I do know is Foles isn’t the answer and I wouldn’t expect Pace to roll with him as his placeholder QB with his career on the line. I also think if we get Mac Jones we’re in need of a veteran who only needs to start 5 to 6 games before handing the reigns over. Call it a poor use or resources or poor scouting, but if Dalton is better than Foles (and the guy I saw two years ago clearly was) then it’s worth the money given the defense we have in place. It’s probably a long-shot to work, but it’s not going to fuck up our future at least which is my primary fear with Pace in charge.

Why does Andy Dalton stop them from drafting a QB in the 1st?

Did Foles look the part last year though? I get he was intended to be that guy, but in all honesty he failed last year and allowed Mitch Trubisky to regain his job. Whether you like Dalton or not as a cheap placeholder, Foles most certainly wasn’t the answer.

The Bears are 100% drafting a QB in the draft, so for now this remains a TBD from my perspective. Don’t get me wrong, at face value this move is completely underwhelming, but if we end up with Jones or Lance then Dalton is a perfectly fine bridge guy IMO. Also, we need to see what ends up happening with Williams as his addition plus one of those QB prospects would be a passable alternative to trading a ton of assets for Wilson.

I think there are always plenty of teams in need of QBs, but it’s a far bigger price to take a B tier QB prospect if you’re passing on a cornerstone tackle, EDGE, or CB. That’s why five QBs in the top 10 is mostly unprecedented. Also, I’m not suggesting Jones or Lance falls to 20 but closer to 15. Honestly, the only reason I point this out is going up 10 picks in the 1st is going to require a significant amount of draft capital while going up five spots should much more reasonable. This is just me speculating of course and watch all five go in the first 10 picks and then the Bears having to gamble on someone like Trask or Newman in the 2nd or 3rd.

There appears to be a fuckton of smoke at the moment...lol

Based on some speculation I’ve seen, I’d wager it’s similar to Eloy’s eight year deal if it gets done.

Appreciate it Pal!

Four QBs went in the top 10 in 2018 and Lamar Jackson didn’t go until 32. It’s very clear there are three A tier QB prospects in this draft, but Lance & Jones are a tier below and aren’t guarantees to go top ten IMO. I think one will and the other will fall to the middle of the 1st.

Do they have an agreement in place now?

Is it on MLBTV?

I have a feeling we’re all going to feel real shitty at the All-Star break when we could of had Joe Musgrove and instead got a fat Yogurt Sanchez plus the buy-outs for Nate Jones & Welington Castillo paid for by the Rangers.