Chicago White Sox

The problem is those guys don’t really exist. The AAA guys are gone (Stephens, Guerrero) or just suck (Adams). The best prospects in AA are out for the season (Lambert) or still recovering from injury (Flores). I mean, at this point I’m tempted to give Fulmer another look. It can’t be any worse than this trash.

Does Covey have some connection to the Twins, maybe he was just amped up again.

This dude claims to have researched the stat prior to challenging it and yet shows he has done no such thing based on his actual argument. Maybe if you knew the poster’s history when it comes to advanced metrics (such as using the beloved “statnik” rip those who use them) you wouldn’t be coming to his rescue. So hey, maybe take your own advice and stay out of it.

OMG, just please stop until you’ve done more research.

Also, I love you’re allocating entire wins to the closer because of saves.

Greg...I mean Vile, please do more research because you clearly don’t understand how WAR works based on your initial studies.

That’s the question. He’s definitely not a guy you overpay for when sitting on lots of cash. But there is a price point where he makes sense adding right now.

Catchers take longer to develop offensively, it’s really that simple. Mitch Garver batted in the .240’s & .250’s as a 24 & 25 year old in A+ & AA respectively and looks what he’s become (even if his current power numbers are unsustainable). In the juiced ball era, there a place for someone like Collins if he can make even some minor adjustments. I’m not banking on that happening at this point, but it’s way too early to write him off, especially if he can stick behind the plate in some capacity.

100% agree. And when you’re counting on two young guys in Cease & Kopech to be key parts of a contending rotation, it’s even more important to have depth behind them.

Adding Gonzalez allows you to allocate your financial resources elsewhere. Marco’s salary next year is $1M and Wood should command $10M+. It all just depends on the price TBH. I would not give up more than a Rutherford caliber prospect for him.

I think they would. Gonzalez provides depth, but we still need a guy at the top to help take some pressure of the young guys. If that forces Lopez to the bullpen or Kopech to AAA, that’s a good problem to have.

My bad, I didn’t realize you meant right now. That makes much more sense, but I still think they’ll be shooting for something better than Nova.

It’s a price I’d be willing to be pay given the age, control, and current salary ($1M in 2020). We’d still need to add a TOR starter in the offseason, but would at least we’d enter the winter with more pitching depth than we have right now.

Would you trade Rutherford for him?

Less than 80 hours to go until the deadline, we got to start seeing some action soon.

Real question for the board, but what would a Diaz/Nimmo package cost? Would something like Dunning, Walker or Rutherford, and say Pilkington get it done? Would you even do that? Both guys are controllable for the next three years, which fits our competitive window pretty well. The fact that I would make that trade in a heartbeat makes me feel it’s too light despite Diaz’s underperformance & Nimmo’s injury, but you never know with the insanity that is the Mets front office. For shits & giggles, let’s say you make the trade above and then go out and trade Rutherford or Walker and something insignificant for Marco Gonzalez. Here’s how things would look heading into the offseason: Lineup: 1B - ??, 2B - Madrigal (0.5), SS - Anderson (4.0), 3B - Moncada (0.5), LF - Jimenez (2.3), CF - Robert (0.5), RF - Nimmo (5.0), DH - ??, C - McCann (5.0) Bench: UT - Garcia (4.0) Rotation: #1 - ??, 2 - Giolito (0.5) #3 - Gonzalez (1.0), #4 - Cease (0.5), #5 - Kopech (0.5), #6 - Rodon (6.0) Bullpen: CL - Diaz (5.0), SU - Bummer (0.5), SU - ??, MR - Herrera (8.5), MR - Fry (0.5), MR - Hamilton (0.5), LR - Lopez (0.5) That’s 18 roster spots locked up (excluding Rodon) for a total of ~$46M. Assuming a $120M payroll (which is below league average), that would leave us ~$74M to add a TOR starter, setup man, 1B, DH, and a couple bench pieces. Let’s say Cole is unattainable, if the big free agent signings were Wheeler ($18M), Betances ($12M), Grandal ($20M), & Abreu ($12M), we’d still have ~$12M to add a stopgap 1B/DH and fill out the bench. And if by some miracle you could add Cole, you’d just go with cheap in-house options at those remaining spots. Either way, you’d have a young, talented team ready to go to war next year.

See, I would absolutely hate paying that price for Gonzalez. The more I’ve thought about it, the more I’d be ok with preemptively adding a guy like Marco (and adding a second starter this offseason), but it has to be at a favorable price. He may very well warrant such a cost, but if that’s the case just sign two starters this winter. Also, giving Puig a four year deal would be disastrous. He simply hasn’t been good enough to warrant such a contract and we need to find one way or the other to add a left-handed bat to the lineup.

I’m not writing them off by any means, but it’s not like these guys struggled up front and then showed signs of getting better as the season progressed (check the game logs). That’s what what I want to see when a young kid is given an aggressive assignment. My concern is Chris Getz & staff still have no idea how to develop talent. Way too many guys beyond these two regressed in 2019. No doubt Stiever & Sheets have been pleasant surprises, but a good chunk of our full season ball prospects have underperformed this year.

Yup, the Sox are definitely targeting a $80M payroll and third place finish next year.

Because he has irrational hate for this franchise running through his blood. He literally called the 29th ranked qualified starter in terms of fWAR a “weak #5 starter” simply because the White Sox were rumored to be interested. It’s a fucking joke man.

Hasn’t seemed to stop them? They were supposed to have a dynasty and that seems likely to end in the next couple of years. Theo has totally fuck this thing up.

Because he’s a fucking hater and knows hyping up the Cubs pisses off Sox fans...

At least he’s stopped listing out all the salaries of the guys Hahn acquired this offseason over & over again. I honestly never thought we’d see the end of that.

Not one single person wants to “dump” Bummer.

Of course they have the money.