Chicago White Sox

Lol...I literally said why not sign Wood instead in this very thread. Doesn’t mean your Gonzalez is a “weak #5 starter” post is any less garbage.

That $25M is just an estimated based on averag

For 2020? What are you basing that number on?

Ok, so we’re in agreement then.

Lol...it’s like the moment OneDog gets the ban-hammer you step up your irrational hate game to fill his place. Marco Gonzalez is currently 29th in fWAR amongst qualified starters (one spot behind your beloved Bumgarner). Calling him a “weak #5 starter” is one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this site in years.

And don’t get me wrong, if the price is cheap, I’m fine with adding Marco Gonzalez to add some stability. Just unlikely the M’s will just give him away.

I guess my view is why not just sign a guy like Alex Wood in the offseason to fill this role? Marco Gonzalez is not a Ivan Nova type acquisition like @Moan4Yoan is implying, but when you’re sitting on like $20M in payroll commitments mid-rotation starters shouldn’t require giving up assets other than cash.

Buying low on a high upside, controllable asset is exactly what a rebuilding team than plans on competing next year should be doing. A move like just depends on the price and more likely than not it won’t be a price we like. But in the off-chance they really like a guy like Rutherford then by all means let’s be part of the conversation.

Are you saying his season hasn’t been disappointing? I never said I was writing him off, but I was certainly expecting a lot more from him this year.

Oh yeah, I’m sure the TJS has suppressed his value. Just saying he’s the first prospect not on my untouchable list.

Sorry, I mean if we’re looking to add a starter via trade, it better be someone with the TOR upside. Otherwise, just use our endless money buy a mid rotation this offseason. That being said, I 100% agree that we likely don’t have the chips to add a legit TOR starter via trade without having to give up a Madrigal or Vaugh which is a no go for me.

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I agree, we should be aiming higher.

I’d wager it’s like 90% likely to be an internal replacement.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking, but the problem there is they lose out on a potential hotel night.

I will say this, I am open to trading anyone in the organization outside of Moncada, Anderson, Eloy, Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn, Giolito, Kopech, & Cease. Ideally I’d like to keep Dunning, but if he can somehow headline a trade for a controllable (3 years minimum) asset I’m not completely against it.

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For what though? Would they take a package centered around Dunning & Rutherford or Walker? Even if you threw in Stiever that still feels light IMO.

Why would they drop Sunday’s? Was it just not that busy?

Bryce Bush & Lenyn Sosa have had incredibly disappointing seasons. Really sucks neither guy has done enough this year to crack the top 30. I really have to question the impact Getz has had on our player development function.

Anything can make sense depending on the price. That being said, I don’t envision the price being attractive here.

That’s because we’ve been ravished with injuries. Kopech & Rodon would be in the rotation right now and possibly even Dunning. Our best minor league depth options (Lambert & Flores) both missed time or are out of the season. The same applies to potential bullpen options like Jones, Hamilton & Burr (and Burdi to a lesser extent). Very few teams could overcome the hand we’ve been dealt.

They’re sticking with Collins at catcher for now. Who are these others you are referring to?

What youngsters?

To play devil’s advocate, they did offer $250M guaranteed and could have simply thought Machado’s agent was bluffing at the end with the Padres. That still implies incompetence, but at least they could blame that on never having pursued a legit whale before. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens this season. Either way, if they’re smart they’ll sit back and shut the fuck up. No reason to act cocky all offseason, amp up hopes, and then end up empty-handed.