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The problem with Avi is that pitchers own him. I love the idea of a Good Avi too, but everyone agrees that he's almost being bullied by pitchers right?? Trayce looks way smarter at the plate...and that has absolutely zero to do with BB%, BABIP, OBP, K% or any stat. Zero zilch nada. Agree? Yes?

How about the ultimate 12-man pitching staff since 2000 for fun? Most people here can remember most of them. In their primes of course. SP: Sale, Buehrle, Contreras, Garcia, Loaiza RP: Foulke, Howry, Carrasco, Cotts, Thornton, Jenks, Robertson And maybe worst 12-man since 2000, if you never wanted to win a game: SP: D. Wells, K. Wells, Axelrod, Ritchie, Noesi RP: Simas, Linebrink, Koch, Logan, MacDougal, Downs, Webb

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 11, 2015 -> 11:13 PM) Talking about all time Sox teams is senseless cause people always want to mention the old, old, old timers and thus anybody who played past 1960 pretty much is pooh-poohed or laughed out of the discussion. I hate having to put the old oldtimers on the list, making it a very boring list/discussion. I mean try to put Buehrle on a list and you'll get Ted Lyons'ed and Billy Pierced to death. Amen bro. It's tough pretending to be 150 years old telling stories about where you were when the Black Sox scandal hit. "Boy that Joe Jackson could really lay into a 70mph fastball! Cicotte? Absolute stud!" But it's cool some of the old-timers here remember some of these guys. Speaking of which, can any of you share some insight with us young guys about some of the old fabled Sox pitchers? That would be pretty cool.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 12, 2015 -> 12:14 AM) What in thee f*** is this? Can't see that point of view? I see both sides easily

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 10, 2015 -> 11:49 PM) I think two legit bats (preferably RF & 3B) and improvement from some of our holdovers makes us contenders next year. The pitching staff should actually be better with Rodon's continued development, Johnson replacing a disappointing Shark, & a full season of Nate Jones. We don't need an elite offense, just can't be bottom five in OPS & ISO like we are this year. Interesting. Jeff S was so bad this year, looking at his overall numbers now, that It would be hard for EJ to be much worse. He could be worse but probably not much worse. It's similar to SS. Sure Saladino could be worse than Alexei...but really? Probably not. Save the 9 million and put it into the Heyward fund.

Balta for thread MVP

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 9, 2015 -> 07:29 PM) Same with the Cardinals and Pirates too. Yes. It's really night & day just how awful the NL is compared to the AL. The #2-#3 starters are horrible...not to mention the 4s & 5s. Mercy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 8, 2015 -> 04:55 PM) By random, I think it is all driven by sample size, but the fundamental question I ask is...do pitchers behave different with runners on then without and when that answer is yes, that tells me their is something to some extent flawed in the stat. Pitchers are the one player who truly controls a lot of what they do. I think this is just more you have small sample sizes with HR's and batting with runners in scoring position which means you can have extremes. All that said, if I want to judge someone based upon what happened in the year vs. a predictor of future success, I still put much more weight to ERA then FIP / XFIP. Bottom line, I award people based upon the actual results vs. hypotheticals that don't reflect the reality of actual runs given up. I like this. The problem most people have with ERA is the whole defense behind the pitcher argument. But some might argue from a more presidential position: Did it happen on your watch or not?

What's with the 1 game @Tigers 6/4? Every team doing a one game bonanzee like that?

Stupid front office now drafting players that are good.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) an excellent way of looking at things. future does look good. Future looks great. So how come people blame the FO for the future looking great? It puzzles me

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 10:31 PM) Arrieta has been good but when is the last time he shut down a good offensive unit? The Dodgers, Giants, and D-Backs are not those teams. The last time he gave up runs was to the lowly White Sox. I love typing this so much that I'll type it again: Junk team playing in a junk division in a junk league that plays the game in a junk way which allows junk pitchers and junk batters to have long careers. A bunch of high-strikeout rookies are 20 games over .500 with no #3-#5 starters and a junkfire bullpen? GMAFB. Buncha junk and the media never reports that aspect of it.

This is all fine but if Olt is the starting 3B next year or in the picture even, well then s***balls as they say.

Even 3/45 might look nice to the Shark camp. Don't you think he'llmgrt some $15Mper offers?

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 02:50 PM) The system is as stocked with potential starting arms as I've ever seen it. Fulmer, Montas, Adams, Guerrero, Danish, Beck, Jaye, Lowry, and Clark all could easily end up as starters in various parts of a rotation. Yes and I think a bunch of our hitters are going to be popping up on radars in the next year or two. The new draft system has done wonders for the White Sox. That's why I think FA (Heyward) is an excellent way to bridge the 2-3 year gap so we can compete while the farm moves toward the top of the lists. The farm is about to be stacked if not already. Time to shell out some big bucks and win a WS before we become the Cardinals in a few years!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 01:08 PM) Rodon was one of the closest things you will ever find to a major league ready college arm. Hell, the Sox could have called him up on the day he signed as a closer. I don't think Fulmer is there at all. I also don't think he has anywhere close to the ceiling that Rodon has. I am not saying that Fulmer isn't good, but Rodon has a special type of ceiling. Yea totally. To confirm your point one only needs to remember the 2 season hype-train that followed Rodon: the game against Cuba, his ridiculously nasty slider, extensive ESPN coverage, #TRTR etc. the dude was a legend a year before he was drafted. Not saying that Fulmer can't develop to be just as good, but he's got some work to do to get the scouts drooling. Big shoes to fill if anyone wants to compare his level of readiness to Sale or Rodon.

Coop early in the season: "Jeff certain things aren't working. I noticed something. Let's try this." JS: "f*** you I've always done it this way" Coop: "This isn't the watered-down NL, you actually have to be on your game here" JS: "f*** you" Coop: "You're ruining the momentum every time you pitch and your attitude is hurting the clubhouse" JS: "I played football" Coop: "What does that have to do with anything?" JS: "Everything" Coop: "I feel like I'm playing cards with my brother's kids" JS: "Uno b****" Coop: "Good talk" JS: "Great talk"

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) Yeah we're 19th in strikeouts and 8th in the AL (that is, 18 offenses have struck out more than us), there's no reason to think Sale would strike out more White Sox hitters than normal. I wonder if our DH position has struck out more in the last 5 years than any other team at any other position. We've had basically the same me-first type of guy for 5 years. Can somebody look that up?

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 07:18 PM) pitch better bro. Seriously.

Of the remaining teams he would face, who does he have the best shot to K 21 in a game? Grab that record real quick, blast 300ks and snag the CY.

I hope Chris has enough clout to say "Johnson Shmonson"

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 11:18 PM) Really wanted the team to be .500 this year, thought that would give me some excitement of a wild card race late into the season. But outside of about 6 weeks of nice baseball, man. In some ways I'm very optimistic about this team, but putting it all together just seems so impossible. This is close to how I feel. I really thought the FO filled enough holes without mortgaging the future nicely. It would have been great if our rebuild only took 2 years, which actually looked possible after the offseason the Sox had. We still have some of the best young players in the game so I'm lookong forward to this offseason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 06:00 PM) I like this lineup. Reason to watch along with rodon Yea here we are again. Wanna see Rodon, Trayce, Avi & Saladino dominate but let Webb give up the lead for a loss. Top ten pick would really help those in the Heyward camp.

For the record I am very Pro KW&RH. Laroche was the only mistake so far. I see why they did it but damn he really ruined everything. No need to cut their heads off over it. Rebuild still right on schehdule.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 06:08 PM) Bah, they weren't giving up any of their young players yet and that's a decision they made long ago. Even with the Nationals example I can't really criticize for sticking to your plan. Price, Arrietta, Lester looks a lot better next year and doesn't even cost them a draft pick. I watched one of those painful Kap & Haugh cubs deep-throating videos on CSN and they were saying if the cubs extend Arrieta & sign Price they will end up shelling out almost a half billion for 3 arms. Incredible. And they aren't young dudes. I kind of hope they do sign Price because that might actually close their window, financially speaking. 4 years from now they could be in some real financial trouble unless they get all Dodgersy.