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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:38 PM) BTW, ranked farm systems don't mean much to me if it means having a sustainably competitive MLB team. If you are trading 3-4 prospects for young, stud cost controlled MLB players than I think that is a viable use of the farm system. I understand the failure rate of prospects, and using them to acquire young studs is fine because that is the point of a farm system anyways. Absolutely. Which makes me even more dumbfounded that the farm has gotten to this point. Kenny the trader should want to have as many trading bullets as possible. The more quality prospects he has to flip, the more potential for adding the proven MLB players he so desires to the team.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) It shouldn't be a race to who can spend the most on bonuses anymore, it'll be about coaching and identifying talent earlier. Agreed. Though I'm not confident in that regard for the White Sox currently. I'd love for them to prove me wrong though.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) Graduating a player every year from the system (which btw happens all over, not just here) may prevent the Sox from being a few slots better than worst, but that doesn't really change much. Indeed. Graduating players happens everywhere. Decent farm systems have depth, and the ability to replenish said graduations. With the White Sox, it's "oh s***, there's nothing left."

Jordan is taking care of things quite nicely here. I'm always amused that people think the only way to have a good farm system is to have 10 losing seasons in a row.

This thread is all over the place. Any remaining roster spots will be filled internally or with cheap scrap heap guys. The 2012 Sox team will not be competitive. Get over it. The only remaining players that are candidates to be traded right now are Floyd and Thornton. Hopefully they move Floyd as he's absolutely worth at least a B prospect. As far as prospect gains for the Sox versus the Cubs, it's pretty similar. (Rizzo is still a prospect with rookie eligibility by the way) You have both Molina and Rizzo who are "B+" guys, then you have some "C" fodder on both sides. The scales will tip towards the Cubs if they get Turner+. Although, who cares really? Trades can be revisited later once guys have panned out or busted.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) So does the Jays' acquisition of Oliver take them out of the market for Floyd? Why? Oliver is a reliever. I wonder if the market heats up further if Garza ends up in Detroit. Though who knows if Kenny is even shopping Gavin?

Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Heard Tigers are open to talking Jacob Turner, but far more reticent when it comes to 3B Nick Castellanos. 6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) That blowhard Kaplan just said Cubs and Tigers getting close to a deal on Garza. Good. Hopefully that leads Kenny to trading off more pieces himself. No more of this rebuilding while contending garbage.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 12:27 PM) How is having David DeJesus on your roster rebuilding? We picked up a player who'll be better and cost us virtually nothing in Alejandro DeAza. Having David Dejesus doesn't effect rebuilding one way or another. He's a warm body that fills a need and is signed at a reasonable rate. Every team has players like that. If he rebounds into something valuable, the Cubs have an asset to flip. If he remains as it, so be it. Nothing more, nothing less.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 09:10 PM) Hmm... looks like Farrellball took the Floyd post off his blog. http://www.farrellbaseball.blogspot.com/ Did he ever post about it? I checked his website occasionally and never saw anything posted regarding Gavin. Edit: If you are talking about the post on the twitter timeline of his site, it was merely pushed off by newer tweets.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 03:17 PM) Kenny loves Cespedes, but it may make more sense to move on Soler, call him our top prospect and let him develop for a couple years ala Viciedo.. Yes please.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) On MLB Network yesterday, Heyman made it seem like this guy is a lock for Miami and he's going to get between $50 million and $60 million. I'm going to guess between $40 and $50 million. I'd still prefer the Sox go after Soler. I think he would fit the contention timeline better and won't break the bank as much. Could one imagine if Kenny gets Cespedes and he's a bust or average at best? He's not necessarily a sure thing. Some baseball people have compared him to Cameron Maybin with more power potential and less speed. He's also not a lock to remain in CF, some see him as a corner guy. Kenny just better be damn sure he would pan out if he plans on giving him such large amount of money.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 7, 2012 -> 02:14 AM) Must be "damaged goods" concerns about Drabeck and his performance downfall last year. After Sirotka, have to do excessive due diligence, especially with young pitchers. I still don't think Drabek is part of the deal if this rumored trade is true.

FarrellBall FARRELL BALL My source jumped the gun; says Floyd to #Jays will be finalized by weekend. #Sox have concerns of the health of #Jays prospects coming back. 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 10:42 PM) Wait, I thought Bruney did indeed re-sign? Maybe I am hallucinating. But thanks on Socolovich, I missed that one. I'm almost positive Bruney resigned. 99.9% sure.

What's Rock or Bucket's take on this? I wish someone would either confirm or debunk this s*** already.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 07:12 PM) At the end of the day, Floyd finishes the last 3 seasons around .500 with an ERA over 4.00. The days of 4.37 being a decent ERA are over. I doubt the Sox really want to pay him $9.5 million next year and realized Danks wasn't going to bring back what they were asking so Floyd probably won't next year either. Since they already signed Danks to an un JR-like contract for a pitcher, there's probably no chance they dip into that well again next year, I think this rumor is bunk, but I do think KW realizes if he wants to get something for Floyd now or at the deadline at the latest is the time to move him, and I think the return is smaller with every passing game. I hope they trade him too. Deck McGuire plus a decent low level prospect I'd be content with as a return. I just don't think Gavin's ERA tells the whole story. I think he has more value then people perceive.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 06:56 PM) He was 2.8 last year which put him behind Freddy Garcia bu .6 but a little ahead of Bartolo Colon by .4. I'm a proponent of fWAR like most, and he put up a 3.6 last year. 4.3 and 4.5 in the previous two seasons.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 06:38 PM) If he's thinking of Floyd as a #2 or better its either for his AA team or he needs to be attending AA meetings. He might not be a #2 or better, but 4 WAR pitchers don't grow on trees. Gavin is a valuable commodity. He's one of the few Sox players I feel that people consistently underrate.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 06:29 PM) Okay, fair enough. Just some of those comments sounded a bit "flip" when you're making pronouncements based on such limited winter league ball action. It's really the same thing with ST, too. Wilson Betemit would have been the AL MVP the other year when he destroyed ST pitching, but he barely made it through 1/5th of the season in reality. He isn't basing things off just 10 IP though. Jhan Marinez was awful with his walks last year. 6.5 BB/9 is pretty bad. Infante wasn't great either (4.32 FIP). I wouldn't write off either of them, but let's not pretend these are can't miss guys.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 6, 2012 -> 06:21 PM) He's drawing conclusions on Infante and Jhan Martinez based on about 10 IP of winter ball. Give me a break! Ridiculous. This is why people who comment on baseball in internet forums/boards/websites but have never watched any of the players mentioned perform should be forced to write a disclaimer at the bottom of their articles. Maybe one of the pitchers was working on adding another pitch (like Santiago) or focusing on specific areas of his repertoire. Of course, in most winter leagues, if you don't perform, you quickly find yourself off the team, as they take the competition very seriously down there and have no tolerance for non-performance or "development" innings. It's the equivalent of saying Santiago's a lock for the bullpen based on an outing or two against the weakest Twins' line-ups of the season last year. You aren't too familiar with larry are you? One of the most well informed people regarding White Sox prospects that I know. He has his sources and connections and is not even close to some random blogger. He knows his stuff. You might disagree with his assessments and that's fine, but I would stop there.

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbbuzz...8?new_post=true Rosenthal says AA has inquired about Gavin, but the article basically says he asks about everyone.

brBoiler2013 Brad Rogers Gavin Floyd heading to the jays. #bluejays #whitesox #forrealthistime 42 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply eh?

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jan 5, 2012 -> 10:10 PM) That is a kick in the groin if that is true, we need to temper expectations, no way we get that high. I'd prefer the Sox go after Soler instead.

Jorge Ebro of El Nuevo Herald says (on Twitter) that the Marlins will withdraw from the Cespedes derby if his price tag exceeds $60MM.