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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 05:19 PM) His career OBP is under .330 and last year it was .309. It is the one thing I don't like about Frazier (all of the other pluses outweigh this negative though). That is partially explained by the fact that Frazier had little support behind him in batting order. The only other really good hitter was Joey Votto, and he batted ahead of Frazier. That likely resulted in our guy swinging at pitches outside the strike zone. Of course, I don't know who will be hitting behind Frazier -- Lawrie, Avi, ?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) J.B Shuck says hi. I think he did extremely well last season. Sox should sign Albers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 08:21 AM) Ugh. This just hurts. There is a difference between being worth something on paper, and actually having the cash in hand to do it. Except in divorce court. Seriously, on another note, after looking at the prospects the Reds got, I don't see why they didn't deal directly with White Sox; the package we gave up to LA looks better than the package Dodgers gave up.

Where does this leave Mike Olt? Sox 40 man down to 36, I believe. Is any team lower? Gotta believe Montas was the big trading chip here, and that Hahn offered him to others. I thought we could have gotten more for those three players, but Frazier is now a big part of the team, so we are now pulling for him big time. Even Hawk, who lost his "game changer".

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) Why would the Sox forfeit a top 30 draft pick to sign Upton for what is essentially a 2 year deal? Doesn't make sense They get a pick when they lose him in 2 years, assuming the CBA does not change much.

QUOTE (2Dbill @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 05:03 PM) Desperate times lead to desperate actions. Three teams from last year’s playoffs have or are projected to experience significant losses: Kansas City, the Cardinals and the Dodgers .the Royals and the Cardinals lost in the area where the sox also have a need-the outfield(I’m forgetting about Lackey as I think Heyward was a much bigger loss). The Dodgers lost big with Greinke . In the last few days the LA sports sites were talking about how they would have to settle for Cueto. Well that didn’t turn out too good for them either. Their fall back plan seemed to be to create a lights out relief back end with Chapman and Jansen and that fell thru .I think the Dodgers are getting desperate. I think we should see what the return would be for David Robinson. I would trade Robinson and Thompson to the Dodgers for Puig and Kiki Hernandez and one of their 1st round comp picks. I would sign Cespedes to a 5 year 1,112,000 (25/25/22/20/20) deal with an opt-out after year 2. I would sign Alexi Ramirez to a 1year 6.5million deal. I would trade Avi Garcia and Robinson Leyer to the Rockies for prospects 3rd base Ryan Mc Mahon and catcher Dom Nunez. I would trade Adam Engel to the New York Mets for 1st base prospect Dominic Smith. I would trade Mica Johnson to the Pirates for outfield prospect Harold Ramirez. I know people are going to say that the Puig trade is ridiculous- the Dodgers would never agree to it. But given the circumstances I’m not so sure. They seem to be petrified to trade any of their prospects. It seems Friedman thinks he is still in Tampa Bay. This would allow them to continue their plan of having a strong back end to their bullpen ( the only option they really have left). Robinson is also signed for three more years while Jansen is only signed for 2016. If Puig is as much of a problem as the rumors say it would solve that problem as well. There have been 3 trades so far this season which were considered significant overpays(Arizona for Miller,Boston for Smith and Huston for Giles) why can’t the dodgers be the fourth? I know I’m rubbing it in to ask for a comp pick but they may be desperate. On the sox side I think the influence of Abreu, Cespedes and Ramirez would do wonders for Puig. I am not signing Ramirez just for Puig. The more I thought about it the more I liked Ramirez in a part time role this year. The bullpen would be weaker but the daily lineup would be much improved and the starting pitching would be unaffected. In addition the sox would have 4 picks among the first 50 in next year’s draft. And by trading Robinson you free up the money for Cespedes as the efforts to unload Laroche seem to be going nowhere. Fantasy? If your major premise that Dodgers are desperate is correct, and that they need to strengthen their bullpen, then Sox should get more for Robertson and Trayce. Puig got fat and has warts; I don't know much about Kiki. But Robertson should get their attention.

Adam Engle's name has been appearing here lately. I would like to keep him and see if his AFL performance is indicative of the real deal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 04:25 PM) if JR is really as loyal,as most say, I don't know why he would leave Robin with an in between roster and throw him to the wolves. He is obviously the next fall guy, so get him the horses or back off and make it clear the team is in transition. A well paid fall guy, like a lot of managers. Part of the job.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 13, 2015 -> 06:21 AM) they, the sox FO has a game plan, we, as fans do not know what the plan is. the other thing is, what will the owners allow hahn do to fix this problem, as well as putting a competitive team on the field. the ideal solution would be, not to trade any of the sp in the rotation . but who knows what the sox will do,. not convinced.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 07:34 PM) I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what plans we have for next year... We're not going to win anything. 2017 opens our window - at the earliest. 2018 is more likely. After being in the optimist crowd for the last decade, I've finally joined the dark side. Unfortunately, I agree with you. Looks like a top 5 draft pick in 2017.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 12, 2015 -> 06:25 PM) They're too busy thanking the heavens their version of Adam LaRoche is gone. They also gave up a draft pick for Cuddy.

Good article on purplerow.com about Rockies trading any of their three outfielders. It says the main players are Royals and Nats.

No loss of draft pick with Cespedes. I would love to sign him and give him an opt out after 1-2 years, then get a draft pick if he leaves. Who knows, he might love it in Chicago.

I love Steve Bartman.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 06:12 PM) Don't forget Gene Freese or Tommie Davis. Yes, Gene Freese is a bad memory. Sox traded Johnny Callison for him.

Chisoxfn: You can still improve this site by posting more often yourself.

A talking head media type on MLB just said Cinci wanted Tim Anderson for Frazier, and Sox said no.

Cards will be looking at Cargo now that whatshisname signed with Cubs. Per someone on MLB Network.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) For me Fulmer is more untouchable than Anderson. I'm hoping our third baseman of the future is Trey M. Ditto. Before considering this trade, Hahn has to determine if this kid with Rockies is a much better prospect than Trey.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Why does it seem like the Sox always get former superstars past their prime? Dunn, Thome, Vizquel, Manny Ramirez, Andruw Jones, Griffey, etc. The list goes on and on. I agree. Ask Kenny.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) I could see the Sox moving. But I ALSO could see the team staying. Are Jerry's relatives and the investors going to sell the team when he dies or keep it? In a city as big as Chicago, are there rumors of any local zillionaires wanting to buy and keep the team in Chicago? If the Reinsdorfs and the investors keep the team forever, ugh. I could see it moving or continuing to flounder. Disagree. Think back to 2005. The White Sox had done it. World Series. The Sox were the toast of the town. The Cubs franchise sucked. Oh yes they were still the Cubs and all the sellouts and the darlings of the baseball world. But they were truly second fiddle. The Sox COMPLETELY and utterly blew it. Almost instantly the team began its downward trend. Now finally the last 3 years the team has sucked. But after 05 the Sox had their chance to be THE team in town for a long time. They only have themselves to blame. I dont know if the Central Division teams went after them, but the Sox have one of the worst organizations in the Central now. Very sad. It can change again, but no question the Sox had it all going in 05 and blew it! Thank you, Kenny. If the White Sox had a new owner like Mark Cuban, things would change.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) What was so bad about Erstad? I mean, he wasn't good, but he put up a positive WAR... When Erstad tried to play CF for White Sox, he was the worst I have ever seen, including Little League. He could not throw a lick, and there he was, out there in CF. Another name to add is Ken Griffey, but he deserves a break because he was at the end of a great career. Lousy with Sox, however, as was Manny Ramirez. Talk about a waste of $3 Million.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) That's fine, but this isn't the "most hated" thread that sprang up a while ago, so guys who didn't perform all belong. Koch was a primary reason the '03 team missed the playoffs. One of Kenny's better moves. He didn't want to pay Keith Foulke, so he traded him to Oakland for Koch, and then he gives Koch a raise. Foulke continued a pretty good career with Oakland and Boston, Koch got hit real hard.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) Would Eaton's defense improve playing RF instead of CF? No, but it would if he were switched to LF.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) just a long shot here,but can this be an idea of the sox making plans for a new of"er to come in?? Nope. Sox FO is not smart enough.