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If someone wants to give up a backend top 100 prospect for Abreu in July, you definitely do it. I probably don't trade him if the return is a AAAA type. I think the offers will be somewhere in the middle, but there should be a handful of teams in contention that Abreu would really help. So you never say never.

Mr. Boras isn't going to have much bargaining power. Its in Carlos' best interest to stay with the Sox right now. He'll make a little more money AND he gets to rehab somewhere where he is comfortable and knows the training staff. I think 3 year extention (which really only buys out 1 FA year) plus a series of team options makes a bunch of sense for both sides. From Carlos' perspective, if he is unwilling to discuss a somewhat team friendly extension, he runs the risk of signing either a minor league deal, or simply rehabbing next season without the benefit of a major league training staff and facilities. Hahn has a great deal of leverage here.

Alonso still in the clean up spot though...that I can b**** about.

Moncada was quoted recently (yesterday maybe?) as saying he was tired lately. I am totally OK giving his legs a day.

He was down to one (next season). Hahn said today that due to his injuries the Sox will be granted a 4th option year. Sox now don’t need to add him to MLb roster until OD 2022. Actually a very significant development. A chance? Of course he has a chance. His injuries the last couple years are super unfortunate. To say you don’t care about retaining a guy like him is asinine.

This is kind of a bad take.

per fegan via Hahn, the Sox will be granted another option year on Adolfo due to his missed time. That is fairly big news. Only expected to miss 4-6 months of baseball activities, so sounds like a relatively minor operation as far as elbow surgeries go.

Yah, its not good, but comparing a basketball players knee operation to a fairly simple elbow operation is a bit of reach,

Worth noting that Adolfo will be down to his last option season next year. 2020 is going to be make or break for him, as he'll either be on the 2021 MLB opening day roster, or in another organization.

This is fairly typical around all organizations not something only the White Sox deal with.

No, just arthroscopic surgery.

Is $16M over two season he can actually pitch with three team options thereafter really much of a risk in today's game though? That isn't very much money. Its definitely a risk, but its a calculated risk that could have a fair amount of value if it works out.

Right elbow surgery. Gahhhh

Welp. As discussed in another thread, its either extend him (with several team options) or non-tender. No point in going through the arb process twice more.

Wellington is a career .287/.349/.479 hitter against LHP. He serves a purpose on this team while they're paying him money.

I dont think you read that correctly..

I am sure you'd have to pay for parking 2x. With respect to whether or not you'd get a bonus game, it all depends on if they schedule it as a straight double header or a split double header. Straight double headers you can stay for both games, with split double headers, they clear the park. With your game being a Thursday game, my guess is that if it is PPD, they will make it up on Saturday as a split doubleheader.

No word that I have seen. Guessing just day to day.

I suggested this in Rodon thread without much support and mostly negative reaction, but I would totally approach Rodon with an extension right now (assuming he's going to have to get TJS). Something like 3 years $16M (20: $2.5M (out with TJS), 21: $5.5M, 22: $8M) and then a series of team options at $10M, $12M and $14M, each with a $500k buyout. So Rodon is guaranteed $16.5M over the next three, and it gives the Sox a lot of upside if he comes back strong. The naysayers will say why would you guarantee a guy $16M over the next three who has just underwent two major arm and shoulder operations? Well he's making $4.2M this season. Assume he'd get a slight raise in arbitration even with being out all of 2019 - call it $4.5M. And then he'd probably get $6M+ in 2020, his final year of arb. So if the Sox were to go that route, they're paying Rodon $10-12M for two years in which they know we won't pitch in year 1, and may well take some bumps in 2020 in his first year back from surgery. And then he is a FA. The deal I proposed would give the Sox an extra year for somewhere between $4-6M more than they'd pay him for 2 years via the arb process, but most importantly, the Sox would then get a series of team options that could be well below market value if Carlos comes back strong. That could turn into a significant asset either for the Sox, or via trade down the line. For Carlos, it gives him some security. If he turns a deal like this down, he's a FA a looking for a new deal with a new team he doesn't know. He'd have to go through the rehab process with an unfamiliar training staff. While the deal I propose would definitely limit his upside, he makes a bit more in the next two years while he rehabs in a place he is comfortable with, and if he is able to come back healthy, he still has some options that while may be a bit below market value, are still nice paydays. He could potentially be looking at a minor league deal if he is nontendered. I think it makes sense for both sides. I would prefer something a little cheaper from the Sox end - at least to start - but the numbers I proposed is something I think could actually get done and work for both sides. Basically you're betting $8M that Rodon will be able to come back from this and in exchange you get 4 free agents years (thee of which are team options) at an AAV of $11M. For me, its either extend him or non-tender him. I don't think going through the arb process two more times with him makes much sense. If you're going to keep him around, use your current leverage and get some potentially undermarket club options to make up for being loyal to your guy. Its a win-win IMO. And even if Rodon is never able to regain his form, its not like a $5.5M and $8M guarantee in 20 and 21 are going to kill the org. It is a gamble worth taking IMO.

Tilson CF, Moncada 3B, Abreu 1B, Alonso DH, Anderson SS, Delmonico LF, Castillo C, Sanchez 2B, Cordell RF

I wont rain on the gamethread tradition, but Rickey with another lineup change today. This one is slightly better, but missing McCann and Yonder still in the cleanup sot. Tilson CF, Moncada 3B, Abreu 1B, Alonso DH, Anderson SS, Delmonico LF, Castillo C, Sanchez 2B, Cordell RF

Ahhh..yah..."the Sox traded Robertson (who had neutral value due to his salary) in a deal that netted them a top 50 prospect". Close enough. I so think the Sox would do better the Medeiros or Cordell types with Colome if he keeps his current performance up. Teams love to overpay for relievers in July. But top 50 guy is a pipedream. Inter-division trades are unlikely, but the Twins could certainly use Colome.

Yay for Pinkleton!

Right. Hence why I said "part of a deal that netted them...". Mainly just telling WBW that the trade doesn't look great in hindsight because Rutherford has stalled some, but its still a deal you do 100 out of 100 times. I agree that the Sox have zero chance to get a top 50 prospect for Colome.

I vote we put you in charge. Would love to see how sick the Sox bullpen would be without a single "stiff".