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So if 8 years (with options), that means the Sox only gain 1 year of extra control over Eloy than if they were to call him up April 26th?

Right - thanks for proving my point with NSS.

I think you're misinterpreting my angle a bit. I am not suggesting I know more about medicine or how to rehab an arm injury than the White Sox. Just the way this played out is pretty shitty. If the Sox did the surgery last July (again...lets just assume for a second for the purposes of this example that he had a slight tear ), he likely misses all of 2019 anyway, but is probably already throwing and would be much more ramped up and ready to go for 2020. Now, he's likely to miss a good chunk of 2020. So either way he's missing a ton of development time, but trying to rehab the injury did cost him more game development time. Again, it is what is. But IF he had a partial tear (I don't know, you don't know, no one but Dunning, his family and the White Sox know), I think they misplayed this. Its certainly possible that he didn't and this was just going to happen at some point, and in that scenario, I guess better now than late in the 2019 season.

I see WSD released the interview last night. Busy day at work and I am fully immersed in March Madness, so not sure I am going to listen. Anyone that did care to opine if its worth listening to, or better yet, provide a summary of anything noteworthy Hahn said? Thanks in advance!

Except there is nothing concrete we have to go on saying there was no tear. There likely was a tear, it was just small or partial. It is what is now, but obviously essentially wasting 2 years of development on a then close to MLB ready starter is......not ideal.

Was referring to Ohtani and Micker.

Lol, and how did those two work out, Caulfield?

Do we know for a fact there wasn't a slight tear and they tried to rehab it?

Such a bummer. I am certainly not a doctor, but just seems like this should have been done last summer. Dunning is now behind the 8 ball. He isn't that young.

Probably not better than Alonso. I know everyone hates Alonso, but he is a much Better player than most here want to give him credit for

I dig it. The left pic, with a couple similar scoffs from Jay and Alonso would be fitting.

Jay, Machado and Alonso would be good too.

Same, except its making me pick someone from the last grouping. But Moncada, Eloy and Anderson should be the banner.

I mean, its not like he didn't know it was coming. Not that ST stats means a damn thing, and obviously 26 at bats is nothing, but he didn't make it any harder on the White Sox by going 4/26 with 9 Ks and 0 walks. He'll be up by 4/20. Maybe sooner if he signs this strange deal that doesn't make much sense.

Unless there is something way deeper going on, like the mother feeding the info to the girl. IIRC, the mother and father divorced after this. There clearly was more to the family dynamic then what is out in public. Its hard to fathom a parent doing this to a child, but its not impossible. Maybe it was an attack from the mother as a way to get full custody of the child by trying to show the court that his family is fucked up. I have a similar situation (NOT INVOLVING SEXUAL RELATIONS IN ANYWAY) in my own family where my sister who is a good mother but has her issues, has told her child not to talk about my sister's boyfriend (not the biological father) around her/my family. My family hates the guy - and for good reason, he's a scumbag - but for whatever reason, my sister has not been able to completely kick him to the curb. But my parents help support my sister and her child (who is around 6 years old), and I believe my sister is concerned that if my parents knew this scumbag was still in her life to the degree that he is, they may be less inclined to support. So my little 6 year niece has basically been brainwashed by her mother (who again is a good mom, though I disagree strongly with how she has handled this) to not discuss this guy AT ALL around my family. Its fucked up and obviously like I said don't agree with the way my sister has handled the situation at all, but I am also not super close with her, so I sort of mind my own business and stay out of it. But its an example to a much lesser degree that a mother can definitely feed a child that age information. NOT saying that is for sure what happened here, but it is not impossible.

I mean, there is never a problem in claiming a guy. You can always try to sneak him through waivers again and off the 40 man, and if he gets claimed, you didn't really lose anything. I don't think the move should be criticized, and clearly they like something about this dude. But its definitely difficult to see what that may be from my vantage point.

Move Kopech to 60 day IL. 30 year old left handed reliever with poor major league numbers.

This is a very good summary, and generally how I feel as well.

Cut and dried would mean there is tangible physical evidence tying him to the crime, not he said/she said of a 6 year child and 15 year old kid. There is no physical evidence that I am aware of. Generally speaking, people aren't convicted of murder without any physical evidence (obviously there are exceptions).

JFC, I am not putting blame on anyone, or am I victim shaming. I am providing context to people that may have not have cared to read more about the story. Its not nearly as cut and dry as you make it out to be or the kid would have been kicked out of school immediately and never allowed to play in the NCAA. Your mind has clearly been made up in this case. That's fine. I personally think there is quite a bit of gray area, and that a mistake a kid may or may not have made when he is 15 is enough to punish him for his entire life. /end of discussion

Sounds good. Don't really care to discuss this with you any further. Whole situation is obviously fucked up, and I think we can both agree on that. Chances of the Sox signing him are pretty much zero, so not really worth discussing here.

Direct quote from the SI article, that perhaps you should read. "Asked last month the core question that any employer, teammate or neighbor going forward will ask—Why plead guilty to so heinous a crime, and write, "I admit that I had sexual contact with my niece," if it were not true?—Heimlich replied, evenly: "I had several conversations with my mom, with my dad, and ultimately it came down to: We thought that this was going to be the best route for me and my family, knowing that it was basically a he-said/she-said. In the court of law we didn't really think I stood a fair chance; that was the advice we had been given. So we thought that pleading guilty was going to give me the best chance at a normal life, and our family a best chance at reconnecting and being able to just kind of move past this whole event." The precise moments when he wrote his admission of guilt and signed his name, Heimlich says, were "definitely emotional. It wasn't easy for any of us. I definitely think at the time we didn't understand the magnitude of the situation, either." But he blames no one else for the decision. "We didn't have all the answers, clearly," Heimlich says. "We didn't know what was going to happen. I would never say I was pushed into pleading guilty by either of my parents, because ultimately I can make decisions for myself—and I was the one that wrote my name down and pled guilty." Throughout the judicial process, two words stuck in Heimlich's mind: five years. After that, he was sure, "This'll be like it never happened," he says. "It'll all be done... . So for those five years, or mainly the first two or three where I was in Washington and had to do more stuff on probation, it was, I just need to follow every rule to a T, and then when the five years come I'll be fine. I was not doing anything to go out of my way to talk to somebody or confront anybody. It was, just, What do I need to do? Tell me, I'll do it, and we'll be good." Among experts on juvenile sex offenders, the disconnect between the two Lukes is not surprising. "Either the kid didn't do it or he did it and he's in some form of denial: Neither one is unusual," said Carolyn Frazier, a juvenile defense lawyer and assistant professor at Northwestern's School of Law. "To be innocent and plead guilty to something is not unusual." She then quoted a line from a national columnist's February condemnation of Heimlich and OSU: If you were absolutely innocent—as Heimlich contended—how many of you would plead guilty to felony child molestation simply to avoid trial? Thought so. Frazier sighed. "That's another instance where, if you're a practitioner in this world, you're ripping your hair out," she said. "I'm, like, Dude, this happens all the time."

To be honest, I haven't read about it recently. I read the SI article when it was released a year or two ago. Haven't thought much about it since. But IIRC (I may not be recalling correctly), he never actually "admitted" to doing it. He plead guilty because he was 15 years old and that is what his parents and his attorney told him to do. As a part of pleading guilty, he was forced to write some sort of letter of apology that people have since said was a confession, he said he was forced to write it. IIRC, he has stated that he only plead guilty, in addition to being advised to do such by his attorney and parents, because he was told this would be expunged from his record when he turned 18 if he completed some type of rehab, which IIRC, he did, and that he'd be able to move on with his life. I don't sit on any particular side. If he did what he is accused of doing, its beyond fucked up. As others have said, he's lucky he was a minor or he'd be jail and maybe not even alive. But since this went down, he's done what he's been told to do. All his college teammates speak very highly of him. IIRC, he's made some sort of amends with his brother (father of the girl). It was supposed to be expunged from his record and the only reason it is public is a clerical error and the fact that some journalist found something that wasn't supposed to legally be there when doing some digging. I am not of the belief the major league baseball is only for people of moral superiority. I don't think the kid should never be allowed to work a day in his life over something he was accused of doing when he was 15. I completely understand why teams haven't touched him with a 15 foot pole. I wouldn't want my team to do so. But I do think at some point, somehow, he will be given a chance, and that chance will probably be full of conditions as it should be.

I just can't see the Sox being this serious about moving Moncada to 3B, just to have him back to 2B next season when signing Rendon. It doesn't add up at all.

Both puts one of them in the OF with Eloy, which is a bad idea. Neither of them have played an inning of 1B in their MLB career, but I suppose Castellanos played 3B early in his career, so that transition isn't impossible.