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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) No big surprise there. First year in forever that he was healthy, and he just fell on his face. Yah, he sucks.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Oct 5, 2016 -> 07:22 AM) Boston will not want Sale now that Porcello has emerged to join Price at the top of the rotation. They will want a 3-4 starter and bullpen pieces. They will probably trade Holt, Young or Shaw w some 2nd tier prospects to fill the few holes they have. They did move Moncada to 3B and Devers is behind him so they could move one of them if needed. Non sense. Every team in baseball "wants" Chris Sale. Rick friggin Porcello doesn't change that. Now only a few teams have what it takes to get him, and maybe they aren't willing to match that price, but that doesn't mean they don't want him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) It's still the same problem the White Sox have...they're not going to have enough offense if they trade Sano/Kepler AND they're not going to be able to afford to keep Dozier by signing him to an extension. Buxton played really well the second half and is untouchable in the sense his value is still lower than it was a year ago, where 75% of it is still potential, like the White Sox return would be for Carlos Rodon today. Let's say the offer was Sano, Berrios and Kepler/Rosario but no Buxton? That's going to do too much damage to their major league roster on the offensive side and only gives you a short window with the unaffordability going forward with Dozier. Sano, Berrios, and Kepler is a nice start, but they'd need to add more. Maybe a Kohl Stewart and Alex Kirilloff. I'd want Buxton as a part of any deal. Rosario sucks. Santana, Gibson, Hughes, May and Taylor Rogers are likely to be the rotation. In Rogers, they have their own potential hopes for a Sale-like breakout. It's a rotation that's still a bit short even with a Sale or Q inserted. No idea where you're getting your "sale-like breakout from Taylor Rodgers. That is comical stuff. And yes, their rotation would still suck. And you're missing Santiago. Isn't Suzuki a free agent? Yes. And that affects this how? Their lineup will be catcher, Buxton, Mauer, Dozier, Vargas, Grossman (will he repeat?), Polanco, Kepler/Rosario and Sano. If you believe that Vargas and Grossman are for real, maybe...but that lineup comes up short without Sano IMO. Do you honestly trust Kintzler as closer on a competitive team? Not sure what you're trying to convince me of here other than looking at MLB.com and listing off 75% of their roster. I don't think the Twins are good or will be good anytime soon. But they definitely aren't going to be good running out #5 or AAAA pitchers every 4/5 days. I just don't see a match because Berrios has some serious warts, they won't trade Buxton and Sano together, and they're going to try to push Kepler/Plouffe/Rosario/Vargas to the Sox as the third part of the deal...leaving it Sano, Berrios and Rosario for Sale. Who makes that particular trade? Even sending Nate Jones along doesn't get you Buxton...I just think there's too much downside risk for the Twins to trade Buxton and Sano together for a three year window when that would create too many other holes they don't have the payroll to fill, starting with the expected loss of Dozier after 2017 or 2018 (unless they sign him to an extension, his arbitration numbers will be huge based on this season.) For the third or fourth time - I don't think they'll trade these guys. It was just an idea of a team that would theoretically have the bullets that needs pitching. Lol - comments above.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) Polanco was the name...I knew a P was in there somewhere. At any rate, they still don't have a SS unless Nick Gordon undergoes an amazing transformation. Right. Polanco is their SS. He's a back end top 100 guy and they like him. If you think they need a SS more than SP, I don't know what to tell you, but clearly you're not up to speed with their needs. I don't disagree that the Twins are unlikely to move Buxton/Sano/Berrios but again, its a team with interesting young offensive pieces that badly needs pitching. With an outsider now running the front office, perhaps he won't be as married to their prospects as the previous regime was. If they don't trade for controllable top of the rotation pitching, they're never going to get it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 06:59 PM) Trading Buxton or Sano makes as much sense as the Sox dealing Anderson or Rodon. They need a good young SS more than they need to overpay for Sale or Q. Someone like Jean Segura was available to nearly every team in baseball for almost nothing...they went with Florimon/Escobar/Santana instead. At best, they'd offer Berrios (if they have, in fact, soured on him) and Kepler, who they'd be selling high on...and then one other piece, but an obvious match doesn't exist. The main problem is Sale would be leaving too early for their contention window, and Q just isn't returning the premium package because he's worth more to the Sox than other teams. As it is, they have to figure out how to pay Dozier and what to do with Plouffe. Pedro Florimon hasn't played for the Twins since 2014 when he had 70 ABs. I agree that the Twins probably won't trade Buxton or Sano, but they need pitching and they have peices to trade to get it. The Twins think they're closer to contention than you do (I tend to agree they're still a long way away), but again, that's mainly due to their horrific pitching. Like I said, probably not a fit there, but it's an out of the box trade partner whose needs match up.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) A big problem with rebuilding this offseason is that a lot of the best prospects in the game right now are in rebuilding organizations. You can sit there and hope the Red Sox will trade a package of Benintendi, Moncada, Devers, etc., but they don't need to trade for pitching. The Dodgers don't really need to either honestly. The good teams have insulated themselves so they don't have to overpay. I dont see a ton of guys out there right now that are going to come up and be no doubt offensive studs. Would you trade a guy like Q to the Pirates for a deal centered around Austin Meadows maybe? Do you really foresee the Yankees trading a bunch of the guys they just acquired for an ace? This looks like a really bad situation the Sox are in. Hope Jerry is ready to break open that piggy bank. You rarely see huge trades amongst division rivals but you have to wonder if the Twins would get involved in Sale or Q bidding. They need pitching in a MAJOR way and have the bullets. Some of their top prospects/young players have lost a bit of their glimmer, but that may even help the Sox. Buxton, Sano, Berrios, Kepler, etc...plus some of the younger pieces that are still in the minors. Twins never going to be able to spend to acquire top of the rotation FAs so this would be a way. Twins had 5.40 ERA from their starters this year.. Long shot for sure, but an interesting trade partner.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) It's not like they want to throw him out. It's just if a team wants to deal with the Sox for one of our two lefties, they would rather deal Sale. I don't argue with this at all. Just arguing that he is not a "clubhouse cancer". I think trading Sale over Q is the right move if you're just moving one for multiple reasons. I would, however, probably move both if you move one.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Are you sure that everyone in the clubhouse likes him? Would you like him causing a media sh*tstorm for your team and destroying your jersey with scissors? I doubt they gave a s*** about their jerseys. He's clearly a bit of a hothead, but his performance on the field far outweighs a few temper tantrums. Hell just a few weeks ago Rodon said (I am paraphrasing)..the Sox would be complete idiots to trade away Chris. I have learned a ton from him and he is one of the best pitchers in baseball. I obviously wouldn't expect one of his understudies to say he's a complete asshat and I hope he's traded, but I think the media took an easy story to run with and did just that. Chris is fine clubhouse guy that just wants to win.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) Maybe the players don't, but what about management? Who gives a s*** what the suits think? He's not a clubhouse cancer in the traditional sense if the guys in the clubhouse like him. He may be a pain in KW's ass, but that doesn't make him a cancer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) Rodon should absolutely be a trade chip if you are unloading everyone Rodon is they type of guy you'd be hoping to get in deals. Trading him makes no sense. He has FIVE years of control left. Sale - 3 years Q - 4 years Rodon - 5 years

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) That makes sense, especially since Sale is the power pitcher than many covet, he's something of a clubhouse cancer, and he's under team control for one season less than Q. I really, really, really don't think the Sox players view Chris as a clubhouse cancer.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) If they go for it, I fully expect Carlos Gomez in CF I'd be fine with GoGo in CF even if they aren't clearly going for it. He's going to be relatively cheap, the man can go it in CF (or at least could), keeps Eaton in RF, and perhaps gives you a nice trade chip if he bounces back. He's OPSing .900 with Texas. I think he makes a ton of sense, outside of the fact he doesn't walk much (prior to SSS in Tex).

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) No, Urias is under control for 6 years I believe, a lot more team friendly situation even compared to Q. If I'm being honest with myself, I'd ask what is my biggest need right now if I'm the Dodgers. They probably need a 2 or a 3 right now, which they have the cash to go sign without losing a top prospect. They just need Urias to fill in as the 4th and 5th starter next season and soon enough he'll grow into that 2/3 they're missing. And if I'm rebuilding the Sox, I'd definitely take Urias for Q straight up. I am glad you're not the GM.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) I used to be a huge pro-Hahn guy, but the Rollins/Latos/Navarro signings as starters on a "contender" were pretty horrible. Part of me thinks/hopes that KW was behind those moves. Hard to get too upset over signing three guys for a combined ~$7M. None were great signings, but they also weren't the Sox problem. I also think Rollins played a huge role in mentoring Anderson, which was well worth the $1M they paid him.

I haven't watched a full game in a couple weeks. Probably the first time I can say that in season in over a decade. Interest is at an all time low for me - but I still love my Sox, catch a few innings here and there, and always watch the highlights. Can't wait to see what this winter brings.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) I'd rather they hire the right guy. Hell Ventura was young. So was Ozzie. I made it pretty clear that I'd be fine if they went outside of the organization. If they do, I just prefer it to be a younger guy. Kepler would be great. Even though they aren't necessarily fully out of the organization, Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar would be cool with me. I'd also like to see someone with some fire. The Sox have been some damn boring the last few years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) For a manager, there is no such thing as "long" term. 10 years for any manager is a minor miracle. Their shelf life is typically 3 to 5 years anymore. Meh. If you hire a young guy, and it works out there is at least a chance of that. Hiring some old guy who would rather be sipping drinks on a beach somewhere in a few years isn't what the Sox need.

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) You'd rather have AJ Pierzynski - with zero managerial experience - over a proven manager like Ron Washington? I would. I realize I may be in the minority, but I am just not into old tired managers. Ron Washington is 65 years old. This would most likely be his final job. I just don't see it as a good long term decision. Give me someone with some fire.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 09:48 AM) Would you be willing to hire another former Sox player that doesn't have any managerial experience whatsoever? I love A.J., but making him the manager would feel like Robin Ventura 2.0 to me. I don't see him being any better than Robin if he were to manage the team next year. If it's AJ, yah. I like Robin, seems like a top notch guy - but the dude was coaching HS baseball and had to be talked into the job. He is a dud personality wise. He has no fire. AJ would be fantastic. Having been a catcher, he's been a game manager for the past 18+ years in the big leagues. He has that fire that I think the Sox badly need. Wouldn't be scared to shake things up, or a put a player back in his place. I think the guys would play hard for AJ. Would there be some bumps? Probably, but I'd rather watch that than some old hag who will be out the door again in a year or two. THat said, I realize AJ is a complete long shot, and will respect the Sox decision if they go outside the organization. I really liked the Gabe Kepler suggestion earlier in this thread.

I would be pretty disappointed if it is Rick Renteria or some other old retread (Gardenhire, Washington, etc.). I am not against the Sox going away from hiring old players with no management experience, but its hard not to like the idea of AJ. I think he will be a great manager some day. He'd certainly spice things up.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) I thought it was weird right after the trade that the Padres tweeted out "no tradebacks", like they knew he was damaged goods. Wait, they did?

I'll take another $2.5M per.

Adam is great. However, if they do trade Sale and/or Q this winter, I'd be in support of moving Adam. The dude's value shouldn't be much lower than those two, in all honesty. He's really f'in good. That said, I hope they don't trade him - he's by far my favorite player.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) Who was their ace? and if instant more success is instead of going 63-99 then jumping to possibly winning 70-72 games(currently at 64-81), then i guess the white sox are on this "instant more success" track The Phillies did pretty well in that trade. Jared Eickhoff is already a mid-rotation arm. Jake Thompson, while he struggled this year in majors, has the chance to be a top of the rotiation arm. Two top 100 prospects, one of which is catcher, plus another arm. Not a bad deal for the Phillies.

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) This will be a big test for new manager Aaron Rowand/AJ Pierzynski/Jim Thome I'd love to see AJ as the manager.