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QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) I like the optimism, but that's not really the Sox's MO. I would be very surprised to see them all-in on the top guys. 12 teams are not going to be able to sign a player for over 300K next year and the majority of those 12 teams are traditionally the biggest spenders. The Sox are in great shape for next year.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) If that sets the market for Martinez, you can pretty much count the Sox out. That's not entirely a bad thing, it's possibly that the Sox have deal(s) in place with the top 2016 guys.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) Bring them on in. Get all of the bodies you can. Now what really gets interesting is will the White Sox bust the pools to go for Cubans. Eddy Martinez is floating out there and would instantly be our #1 prospect if we signed him. There are a couple of others who could be key pieces as well. Alvarez signed with the Dodgers for $16M

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:09 AM) Not Buddy Bell? Does Hahn really have time to jet down there? Did he when we signed Adolfo? KW? Can't remember.... Yep, he's done it every year he's been GM. That's probably why he didn't travel with the team, he was probably meeting with the families and finalizing the deals.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) According to industry sources, the White Sox agreed to an $825,000 signing bonus with shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr., ranked No. 27 on MLB.com's Top 30 International Prospects list, and a $1.5 million bonus with outfielder Franklin Reyes, ranked No. 30. The club did not confirm the agreements. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/134...rnando-tatis-jr I guess we have to wait for the press release to get exact details.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 08:24 AM) Per Jesse Sanchez, Sox have (so far) signed Franklin Reyes for $1.5M, and Fernando Tatis Jr for $700k. Reports on Future Sox coming soon. I think that they're going to announce more players today since they haven't issued a press release yet and I imagine that both Hahn and Paddy are in the DR and are going to introduce the players to the local media

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) Lets grab Martinez or Guerrero Jr and I'll be happy. Edit: also, Dodgers sign Alvarez for $16 mill and a few others for around $2 mill. Were only slotted for $2 mill to spend. They have to figure out a way to fix this system. Guerrero Jr is not coming to the Sox, the Blue Jays had him locked up for a while.

Everyone should follow Jesse Sanchez on twitter to monitor the chaos. @JesseSanchezMlb

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) It seems like just a couple weeks ago his fan boys were telling me that his .350 OBP was a bit low for what he had in his future. Funny how BABIP works. It would be great if he put it together and I am fan of him but from a scouting point of you I've never seen the love the Sox FO has. I have never been high on him either, like you I don't see what the Sox see. And I don't consider him to be a core player, meaning that the Sox shouldn't be privy to exclude him from being mentioned in trade talks.

Lucius Fox isn't signing with the Dodgers as talks broke down, according to Kiley McDaniel and Jesse Sanchez. Both have him landing with the Giants for $6.5M according to McDaniel, which will put them in the red for the next 2 years. That's another team in the red for 2016 and most of the traditionally bigger spending teams are out. As of right now, the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, DBacks, Rays, Cubs, Red Sox, Angels are non factors in 2016, and after July 2nd you can add the Phillies and the Blue Jays too. Keep an eye out on the Royals and the Twins as well.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 12:13 AM) What's the latest with Eddy Julio Ramirez? *Martinez Kiley McDaniel project him going to the Dodgers for 11M, while Jesse Sanchez said that the race is still open

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 1, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) So, are Reyes and Tatis the only ones were favored to sign for tomorrow? OF Franklin Reyes SS Fernando Tatis Jr. OF Harvin Mendoza SS Santo Vazquez SS Bryant Nova C Carlos Soto According to BA

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Wow, you are a comedian on top of being a professional scout and screenwriter. How did you come up with that "mic drop" zinger? Such a creative and original rip, wouldn't expect anything less from a dude as talented as yourself. Let me say I disagree with almost your entire post. Already said the ranking are pretty meaningless, so I guess we agree on one thing (even though you ignored that point). And a $1.5M bonus is nice, but nowhere near the value it was back when we signed Micker. So perhaps this guy isn't the 30th ranked player, he's still not a top 10 prospect if you go by projected bonus size. Regardless, there are a bunch teams grabbing multiple guys in or above this bonus range. Despite our overall budget, we are getting less of the high-end talent than our competition. You talk about spreading our money to multiple guys, but a lot of teams are doing the same thing but to a much greater extent by simply spending more. And I understand the differences between the draft and international free agency. Your essentially buying a bunch of lottery tickets and the goal is to buy as many as possible to increase your odds of hitting on a couple. That's exactly why you blow past your cap, sign as many as possible, and then endure your penalties for a year or two. You can still sign lower-end talent during that time. If done correctly, you can ultimately add more talent over the course of three years through this method than by staying within your cap limits. There is a reason why most of the smarter organizations are taking advantage of this loophole. And this doesn't account for the fact that an international draft is looming and these penalties may ultimately be meaningless in year or two. Once again, we are behind our competition on a popular loophole. First was with the draft and refusing to go overslot despite there being no penalties, most likely due to Reinsdorf's ethics and loyalty to Bud Selig. Now we're seeing it with a refusal to go above our international cap limit. I hope Hahn proves me wrong and goes out and gets a Eddy Martinez type, because our competition is finding creative ways to infuse talent into their systems and we are not. I am pretty far for being a professional scout, like light years away, not even close. Its an insult to the real guys to call me that but lets get back to your post....... What's creative about overspending? Its not about how much cash you drop ,its about development. And just because a guy is getting a big bonus, dosent mean he's (or she's) a good player. Teams like the Cubs are willing to overspend on guys like Ademan, because they want to make sure that they get him into their system. They already committed to going over the penalty line, so whats the point of being conversative when your goal is to sign as many players as possible. Look at the Yankees last year, they signed lots of guys to deals over $1M, not because they valued x player at that way based on talent but because they wanted to guarantee that he would be wearing pinstripes. And not most of the smarter orgs are doing this, its the guys with the big wallets. Its the Cubs, its the Yankees, its the Dodgers, etc., not everybody is afforded this luxury. And if you ask me, it shouldn't even be a possibility. I'm sure the team would love to go way overslot and spend like $30M like the Yankees, but it's not realistic for them. So please calm down and relax. x Zinger

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 06:54 AM) well, for me, i do not have confidence in the sox esp when it comes to money spending. there is not enuf yrs of change to keeping remembering the yrs of disaster since 2000. The Sox INTL dept. has spent the fifth most money since the new CBA came into effect, which is impressive when you consider that they don't overspend. So they spend every dollar that they have available to them, its even more impressive when you have teams like the Yankees, Cubs amd Dodgers going over every chance they get. I know that this has been a disappointing season, but there some things that the team does well and this is one of them.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 28, 2015 -> 06:45 AM) I know these rankings are fairly meaningless, but it's still a bit sad that the best guy we are linked to is ranked #31 despite having one of the larger budgets. Really shows how behind the times this front office is, as most of the premier organizations are blowing past their caps and realizing the penalties because they still come out ahead. IMO, this is no different than when the Sox wouldn't go over the recommended slots in the draft and passed on high-end talents. That's a ridiculous and stupid thing to say IMO. Screw what the rankings say, it only matters how the Sox view and evaluate a player. Reyes might be ranked #31 but he's signing for $1.5M so there had to be some serious interest from other teams, guys ranked that low by publications don't get typically get bonuses over a million dollars. Reyes might be #31 on the list but none of us know how the Sox or other teams ranked him on their big boards. Its also worth pointing out that you dont know who else the Sox are going to sign, they like to spread their money around. Look in 2013 when they signed Micker for $1.6M and signed (I believe) 3 or 4 more players to bounuses over 300K. Last year's class is a prime example of that too. I wouldn't compare amateur scouting in Latin America to the draft, July 2nd is basically a pissing contest between scouts as they try to out-scout one another. Look around MLB and check out all the quality, contributing Latin players (with the exceptions of the Cuban players) and tell me how many were signed to large bonuses, not very many. Overspending on July 2nd can really set an organization back, as you cant sign a player for over 300K for one or two years, KW said that when he hired Marco Paddy, he wanted to establish a pipeline that would constantly pump talent into the system, you cant really pump talent into the system when you can't sign any of the 'top guys'. I'm going to stop before my pacemaker zaps me. (Mic drop)

According to Kiley McDaniel, the top five guys heading into the 2016 cycle are: Kevin Maitan, Abraham Gutierrez, Yasel Antonna, Yerdel Vargas, and Cesar Izturis, with Maitan, Gutierrez and Antonna being the definitive top three. He adds that all five of these guys should be paid in the $2.5M to the $5M range and that three of these players already have deals in place, but he will not name the teams. The Cubs, Yankees, Dodgers, Royals, Rays, Angels, Red Sox, Diamondbacks are certainly going to be in the red and not be able to sign a player for over $300,00K for the 2016 cycle (Ben Badler said that there will be ten teams in the red). McDaniel also said that, "There are already rumors of a few teams getting agreements in place for top 2016 players in an effort to blow past their pool in the last year before the CBA expires...". Maybe the Sox are one of these teams, it wouldn't surprise me in the least, but you never know.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jun 27, 2015 -> 06:01 AM) Kiley McDaniel has his July 2 board up now http://www.fangraphs.com/scoutboard.aspx?d...e=0&pos=all Has Sox tied to Franklin Reyes at projected $1.5m and Fernando Tatis Jr. at $600k. I saw this and while its a shame that the Sox are going to miss out on some guys that they have been linked to and some guys that I would like for them to sign, but I have full confidence that the Sox will get some interesting players.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) In other sports I'd say yes, in baseball, I disagree. The best organizations consistently win and find talent (both through FA and the Draft) and top draft position has the lowest correlation in baseball then any other sport. This isn't like the NBA where most of the superstars were top picks vs. MLB where lots of superstars aren't top picks. That said, if we are going to be bad and developing, I am okay getting top pick as long our young talent is improving, etc. I am not okay with guys just playing bad. It is more important for pieces to make progress and help us get wins and slowly get better. Baseball is not the sport you go from worst to first very often. Usually it takes time to build and get the pieces put together and ready. I'm talking about bonus pools, the more money you have to spend, the more talent you can infuse in your system. I never said that the sox should tank to draft x player. I said that even if they finish with one of the worst records, there's a silver lining. Read my post where I talk about what the Braves did. And what they can do with their pool space. Thanks, I'm out.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 11:54 AM) They never offered Syndergaard That was the rumor

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) I know how the bonus pools work and I'd still rather have the .500 team. It doesn't have as much work to do to get good and it didn't suck as much to watch. I think I made that my position pretty clearly. That depends on a lot of things, what does the .500 team's long term prospects look like, how do they stack up against the other teams in the division in terms of talent, etc. Although I think that's a terrible way to do things, agree to disagree

Remember when people said the Mets were willing to part with Syndergaard in exchange for Alexi

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) They were only examples, but in general they kind of are. To get a top pick, everyone has to suck. There'd be no reason to believe at the end of the season that Melky can still be a contributing major leaguer, or that Eaton can get his act together. There'd be no reason to believe the Sox would be anything but crazy to take that $10M 2016 option on Alexei that once looked so good, or that Avisail Garcia will ever be average. Again - just examples. And I'm in no way commenting on the likelihood of any of this. Ignore the logistics of each player getting to where they need to be because that's not my point. What I'm saying is that I'd rather look at the Sox in October and see 4 or 5 holes instead of 7 or 8, because you aren't filling those extra holes with one top 3 pick. Seems pretty simple to me. That argument doesn't work in baseball. This isn't the NBA where one dominant player can instantly turn your team around. "Missing out on the high end talent" is not nearly as penalizing in baseball, where impact players come later in the draft more often. The top 5 hitters by WAR this year were drafted 1, 25, 34, 63, and 246 overall in their drafts. The top 5 pitchers were taken at 11, 13, 18, 134, and 161. If you look at the top guys over the last five years total you tend to see more slant towards the very top of the draft, but at the risk of repeating myself, impact players are picked later with regularity. Would you rather have a bonus for $15M (Top 3 worst records) or $7M (Team with .500 record but not good enough to make the playoffs) for July 2nd and the draft combined. Of course this isnt the NBA or NFL, where you draft a guy and you're immediately able to see that player with the pro team, but I think the argument applies because teams with worst records, that have more money to spend are able to bring in more talent into their system, look at the Astros were able to do in the draft. Yeah they wont see Bregman, Tucker and Cameron this year but you cant deny that they added some serious talent into their system.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) I don't! I can! I'd rather see some guys play well, see the team finish with 78 or 79 wins, and have some hope for how we project next year. If Melky and Eaton wrapped up with quality seasons, that'd be better for the health of the franchise than a top pick. If you're not going to make the playoffs, might as well aim for the highest pick possible. One of the worst positions that a franchise could operate in professional sports is the middle, you're missing out on the high end talent and you're not competing for a championship. So again, if you’re not going to the playoffs get the highest pick possible.