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White Sox have until this 2 PM EDT to decide if they want to pull him back or not per Jon Heyman

I wish the Sox would bring Anderson up for September. I know it won't happen, but it would be nice to see if they can move forward with him at short next year.

I think there is a game shortly. I don't care about it enough to check, but b**** freely here about it.

Jesus lord almighty Avi hits a lot of soft f***ing grounders to SS

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) Cespedes is pretty much the perfect player for the Sox to go after, but he will probably get a 6-7 year deal, same as Heyward, and the last 2 years do you trust a 36/37 year old Cespedes in right field or a 32/33 year old Heyward? Low OBP, bad defense, ton of mental mistakes? Ya, it does sound like a match made in heaven

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 11:21 AM) I just don't understand this logic. Trayce is older than Avi and put up inferior numbers in the minors. Why do people all of the sudden think he's the answer? Because he's played good for the few games he's played? He put up low .700 OPSs in AAA. The odds of him just suddenly figuring it out at the ML level are not that high. I need to see at minimum another 200 PAs before I even consider beginning to make any sort of judgment on him. Trayce has also been worth 2.5 more wins than Avi over the course of their respective major league careers thus far. So there's that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 28, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) Nightengale says that Seattle wants to hire new GM by conclusion of this season. He also tweeted that they want an experienced GM and listed Kenny Williams, Kevin Towers, Jerry DiPoto, Frank Wren, and Jim Hendry. Why would they hire any of those people? I would hire Dipoto or Wren

Would be the best birthday present ever

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) Giving a young, outstanding defender with a solid bat 20M would cripple this franchise? Heyward is entering his best years and you assume he will take a step back in the AL why? The past 3 years he has about an average 9% BB to 16%K, has posted OPS over .700 the past 5 years and can steal a nice amount of bases. If anything a left handed hitter coming to our park that doesn't suck ass and K every other at bat has a good chance to hit 20+ homers. This is the type of player we should have been prioritizing and searching out instead of the Dunn's, LaRoche's and Avisail's of the world I agree quite a bit with everything you've said. This isn't a guy the White Sox have typically prioritized and look where its got them. This is the type of player that should be getting this type of contract from the Sox. Even if he had an OPS below .735 (happened once, in a shortened season), his dWAR is good enough to basically fulfill his AAV if his contract is around $20 MM. People can say they dont want to spend the money on a player like him, but what free agents or prospects are going to be available to boost this team? He is one of the only blue chippers between this season and next. If this team is seriously in their "window", they have to put their chips in on players like Heyward.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) I would rather have Fister or Latos than Kazmir. No thanks to paying Heyward over $100 million. I want to keep all of the picks next year. Why would you rather have Fister or Latos?

QUOTE (Wedge @ Aug 27, 2015 -> 07:54 AM) I took a look at the 2015-2016 MLB free agent list: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016...ree-agents.html What's depressing to me is that I'm not sure the Sox could buy their way out of their present situation, even if they had infinite money. I'm not seeing how the Sox can cobble together an average lineup without trading off at least one of the young guns (Quintana, Sale, Rodon). Your best bet at this point is to try to jumpstart the club with a 1998 Astros/Mariners type trade (where the Mariners got Carlos Guillen and Freddy Garcia for Randy Johnson). This year is actually much better than next year. If they get a top 10 pick, I would love for them to go after JHey and Kazmir. CF Eaton RF Heyward 1B Abreu DH LaRoche LF Cabrera SS Ramirez/Anderson 2B Sanchez C ? 3B Saladino SP Sale SP Quintana SP Kazmir SP Rodon SP Danks/Johnson CL Robertson RP Jones RP Montas RP Petricka RP Putnam RP Duke

WE HAVE A PROTECTED PICK!

Avi is so INCREDIBLY. BAD. Dude has struck out twice on belt high fastballs down the middle f***ing TWICE.

I still have no clue how Flowers gets so much playing time. He is awful at everything.

Sale is pretty wild tonight

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 06:01 PM) I promise, I'll let you know the minute Sale becomes a Cy candidate for this season. Until then, he's not even close. He leads the AL in virtually every category besides ERA and IP, I'd say he's definitely in the top 2, maybe 3.

He's already being comped to Randy Johnson regularly. Ya, I'd say he will be the best the Sox have had.

Some good names to take a look at in free agency: Scott Kazmir - Will be more expensive because of solid year, but he's 32, wont get a QO, and has shown he can pitch in the AL Mike Napoli - Down year, but good BB%, hits lefties well, no QO, and has history of hitting in AL...could be a good platoon option for LaRoche if he comes cheaper

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) I forgot about Rodon. But they wouldn't trade him for Quintana, Abreu, Johnson & Anderson. Ya, ya they would.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 26, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) I appreciate the time and effort put into the start of the thread. To me though it boils down to basically one thing and one thing only regardless of who the Sox keep, trade, sign, draft. GETTING OFF TO A GOOD START. The Sox haven't had a winning month of April since 2009. That means that by May 1st they are usually three, or four or more games behind the leaders. On paper that's not a big deal not with 130 games to go. However, with this organization it seems that once pressure starts to be applied mentally, the players don't respond well. Four games behind to this bunch IS a big deal in my opinion. This team was woefully unprepared to start the season. They were brutal the last 10 days of spring training. They were flat opening day, they were flat again for the home opener. How can that be? Unless Robin and his staff (since I don't think anyone is leaving) changes their ways I don't think it will much matter what the Sox do in the off season again. Ozzie was the same way, thinking spring training was a joke and the results played themselves out for him as expected to his last few years. Just my opinion. Mark Getting off to a good start is paramount. While Im not sure it's very quantifiable, there has to be a lot of positives for teams that dont start out immediately in a hole, that arent making mental mistakes and losing the trust of their pitchers early in the season. They always do seem to come out flat and typically end up getting buried early. Another concern for me is that Robin isnt really the best strategic manager. This lineup might not have been constructed to give him too many options, but the fact that LaRoche got so many starts against lefties this season is really concerning to me. If a platoon is needed, that needs to be determined in april, not august. In 2015, Adam Eaton is batting .227 against lefties and .280 against righties? Why isnt Trayce playing for him against lefties? I think he's had him replace Eaton once since being called up. He just hasnt proven to me that he is a good strategic manager. Why did it take the Sox until SSS posted about CERA to switch up Rodon's catcher? Are these guys just not paying attention themselves?

I wonder if the Rangers would consider moving Beltre in his option year to make way for Gallo next year?

With this season seemingly over, I've been mostly interested in trying to figure out how the Sox will be moving forward as an organization. While this season has been largely a disappointment to myself and other Sox fans, I can't help but think a few tweaks this offseason can have the White Sox seriously contending for the playoffs next season. In order to support that argument, I decided to take a look at our second half numbers: Adam Eaton .308/.408/.462/.870 in 169 AB Jose Abreu .293/.373/.571/.944 in 166 AB Carlos Sanchez .304/.340/.463/.803 in 144 AB Geovany Soto .325/.438/.700/1.138 in 48 AB Trayce Thompson .522/.560/.957/1.517 in 25 AB Alexei Ramirez .275/.311/.472/.783 in 151 AB Melky Cabrera .291/.331/.483/.814 in 164 AB Tyler Saladino .247/.283/.340/.623 in 162 AB JB Shuck .281/.361/.438/.799 in 37 AB Avisail Garcia .261/.323/.394/.717 in 155 AB Tyler Flowers .205/.263/.273/.536 in 97 AB Adam LaRoche .191/.218/.313/.531 in 119 AB Some observations from the numbers: -Some players (Eaton, Soto, Sanchez, Thompson) currently have unsustainable BABIPs, so those numbers should go down some, but it's interesting to note the surge in offense from both Eaton and Sanchez in the 2nd half. Eaton is drawing twice as many walks as he did in the first half of the season. -Eaton's defensive score has gotten significantly better in the second half (he went from a -6.1 to a -2.9). Still not great for a premium defensive position, but it's good to see the improvement. -Tyler Flowers offensive numbers are down across the board in the 2nd half, most noticeably his SLG% is below .300. To compare, Geo Soto has been worth 1.2 wins more than Flowers over the second half alone. While the sample size may still be small, you can start to gather that we may be seeing some players solidify their positions for next year. I think Sanchez's second half has really cemented his likelihood of being the opening day starter at second next year while Flowers abysmal second half has shown that he is nothing more than a back up at this point. I am fine keeping him as a back up and personal catcher for Sale, but his defense and framing just doesnt make up for the negative value of his bat. Will they choose to put the position off another year and have Geo come back? Wouldn't be the worst idea, but I dont see Geo taking anything other than a starter role next season. Another big question is what the Sox will be doing with Alexei. While his second half numbers are much more in line with his usual type of production, Alexei has made far too many mental mistakes this season and just doesnt seem as engaged as he previously has. With that said, I think moving Saladino over to SS as place holder for Anderson seems to make the most sense for next season. That leaves the Sox with a gaping hole at third and while Saladino has played elite defense over there so far, his bat really doesnt justify keeping him there. As someone on the page has already pointed out, his numbers dont look nearly as bad when compared to the mlb avg of SS in comparison to the mlb avg 3B. Last but not least, I really think Avi needs to go. Trayce may not be the answer, but the White Sox really need to find that out over the next month. Avi still has not proven to be anything other than a below replacement level player since he came into the league. The "potential" may still be there for some folks, but it's really hard to justify keeping him out there when he is so obviously a weak link on this team. His defense and base running are absolutely awful in conjunction with his hitting. We are stuck with LaRoche, so hopefully Hahn is smart enough to find a cheapish bat to platoon with him next season in the DH role.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 07:57 PM) The way they have executed this year, it's really astonishing that no one has lost their job from the coaching staff Or next year for that matter

Good thing Trayce is only playing twice a week. He definitely isn't better than Avi.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 25, 2015 -> 11:10 AM) I just still can't find myself to want losses this year. Why? They haven't proved they can have anything resembling a real, meaningful streak. Drafting outside the top 10 does not but weakens this team going forward. They will miss the top 10 though, because that's so incredibly White Sox.