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Fair enough. I saw Gossage pitch many times and I think his control was better myself but agree completely on the mental aspect. And Goose himself told me that he thought Terry Forster had a better arm than him.

Kopech has neither Gossage's talent nor more importantly his mind set to be an elite pitcher.

Yes...another 1B type ?: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/06/28/mlb-draft-prospect-jac-caglianone-very-impressive-during-chicago-visit

Nothing has changed from TLR it seems and the entire procedure the Sox use to challenge is flawed. This year remember Grifol said he wasn't able to challenge because the umpires said he ran out of time. "There was a Sunday game, I don’t remember if it was the past year or the season before. The Sox were playing the Tigers I think and they lost a close game. There were two calls in the game that went against the Sox but the TV replay cleared showed both umpire calls were wrong. The Sox never challenged either of them. In the press conference Tony was asked about them and he defended his video crew, it was brought up to him that TV showed both calls were wrong from the umpires. The next day he said that he should have challenged at least one call. That told me this was not a tight operation.”

Yep...that's the White Sox way.

The bolded part stood out to me. Nice backhanded comment on the state of the White Sox.

Sox Machine had the game recap and they wrote that Iloy isn't moving/running well at all on the bases.

Truth be told they probably aren't either! "Baseball is a funny game..." - Joe Garagiola

Sox by the way have scored a total of 12 runs in their last seven games. ?

Sale must have thought he was back with the Sox again. Pitches brilliantly but loses because of no run support.

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It's impossible to know for sure just how much this may have impacted things but there were published comments from players like TA who thought what TLR had done was wrong and it probably hurt the clubhouse vibe at least somewhat. I don't think that situation was a back-breaker but I do think it contributed to the downward situation over the next 18 months. Like I wrote there is plenty of blame to go around because this organization from top to bottom is incompetent.

These are very valid points in my opinion.

We'll just have to disagree here, I thought he nailed all the points this franchise has been brutal at this season.

I can't see it because he is so involved and because based on his (rare) comments about it he has never talked about retiring and let someone else run the show until he passes. My sense is when it is his time he wants it to be in his office or ballpark suite, staying involved until literally the final minute. Then his family can "Keep the Bulls and sell the Sox..."

I'm guessing part of it is the hopeless situation they are in. Mentally that has to be making an impact on some of these guys.

Exactly correct. Why some fans fail to understand this basic issue with the franchise is beyond me.

LaRussa speaks 2.0... https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/06/26/white-sox-have-fallen-a-long-way-since-tony-la-russas-most-exciting-sox-moment-just-three-years-ago

I was just thinking that. Potentially saved the game with it.

All I've ever heard or read when he has spoken along these lines is that as long as he has his health he wants to own the team and stay involved. As he said last August at the presser (paraphrasing) 'what else am I going to do?'

It was played a few times not on a regular basis in 1976, I asked Nancy about this point.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/06/26/sorry-andrew-benintendi-but-white-sox-season-is-actually-uglier-than-it-seems-jerry-reinsdorf-1962-mets Benintendi’s quote is a reflection of a franchise that doesn’t get it. Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, head ever in the sand, doesn’t get it. He’s responsible for this. He’s the one who hired general manager Chris Getz, who doesn’t get it. He’s the one who hired manager Pedro Grifol, who doesn’t get it. Promises were made before the season about things getting better. And now? It’s actually a lot uglier than it looks.

It actually started in 1976.

I was not at that Royals DH in 1977. I was at the four game sweep of the Twins (Sunday DH) that took place in early June of the season.

Neither. He passes away and as per his instructions his family sells the club.