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Well thanks for not answering my reasonable question but tell you what, I will go on the record and here is what I think is going to happen with this 'rebuild" over the next few years: 2025 season (year two of the rebuild): The Sox lose 100+ games for the third consecutive season. The marks the first time in the 125 year history of the franchise that will have happened. 2025 off season: Because of the almost guaranteed upcoming labor impasse JR is going to order his organization to be "fiscally responsible" again and could even order another team payroll reduction. Getz can only sign some bottom of the barrel retreads to fill out the roster and hope that the multitude of his TJS pitchers can return and put up decent numbers. 2026 season (year three of the rebuild): The White Sox lose 100+ games for the fourth straight season. 2026 off season: The owners lock out the players seriously impacting the 2027 campaign. 2027 season (year four of the rebuild): Eventually a new CBA is agreed to and the season resumes. But because of the financial austerity by the Sox over the previous several years and the lack of talent they have another losing year. Notice I didn't say they'd lose 100 or more games because we don't even know if they will play 100 games. 2027 off season and 2028: Who knows? It all depends on one thing and one thing only, is JR still around in charge? Hell I may not even be around in three years...I'm being serious, in which case I guess it won't matter at least to me anymore. But the box score from the latest rebuild, should what I think come to pass, is that after four years it will have accomplished very little to move this franchise back to being at least competitive and no longer a laughing stock. This rebuild could take six or eight years given that Ishbia is probably going to fire everyone and have to start from scratch when he takes over. I guess that would make a third rebuild? 😉 In fact you could make the case the second rebuild was an even bigger failure than the first one under Hahn because at least they won a division title. That's all I've got.

West: I guess we'll have to see how long this current rebuild lasts and if it turns out to be any better than the others. If JR is still around I have serious doubts it will accomplish much of anything. But again, we'll see. I would be curious though, this is year two of a full on rebuild. How long before you personally would expect things to turn around? Four years,,,six? Longer. I'm asking for a number. When does West expect this franchise to become competitive again and if they don't hit your target date what will your reaction be? Let's go on the record here.

Tray: With respect take a look at the Sox record for example since the start of the 2007 season. They are about to have their 13th losing season compared to five winning ones and a season of playing .500 baseball. That is one of the worst records in MLB over that 19 year period. In my opinion that's nothing to be proud of. To JR's credit at least from 1981-2006 Sox fan could reasonably assume the franchise would be competitive. What caused the drastic change? I'm guessing there were a number of factors.

Nothing changes until ownership does, then we'll see.

He had a press release the day the agreement with JR was announced. The White Sox also made clear JR is still in charge of the day to day operations and that Isbia's role for now would be to help pay down (supposed) debt and potentially get involved in the new stadium negotiations. Just earlier this past week a fan posted here at the site photos of him sitting behind home plate. Said fan posted his impressions of Ishbia and his family and also commented (I assume he spoke to him) that he's a fan, doesn't like to lose and that things would happen quickly. We'll see. Bottom line is that until JR is gone nothing substantially is going to change.

Anything you say except for the fact that a great number of players on the roster aren't exactly kids are they? This dysfunctional organization seems to be in "perpetual rebuild" as one of the columnists wrote today. 11 of the 26 man roster for today are 30 or over in age, that's 42%. If you go by the 40 man roster 18 of the 40 are 30 or older that's 45% Part of this could be because the minor league system isn't that great overall and they just need warm bodies, if that's the case that's another indictment isn't it? But we'll see what happens, I expect another "rebuilding" 100+ loss season next year as well and then a long lock out.

Small consolation I guess but the Rockies broke the White Sox record for the most losses in MLB history before the All-Star break. They've now lost 74 times, the Sox last year lost 71 times before the break.

Or a team with an owner who still gives a damn and demands competency.

White Sox are now 8-22 in one-run games. Laughable bordering on abysmal.

That's the White Sox way remember! That has happened a lot the past few seasons hasn't it?

Another extra inning loss, another one-run loss. Typical. Enjoy the break everyone, we can all use some relief from this garbage baseball.

We called it Purple Jesus at Kentucky.

Kenny Williams also wasn't there from the story in the Tribune today.

Very nice column on the weekend celebrations. Also found some of the comments interesting especially the one from a former Sox player on the number of ex-Royals in the current front office/organization: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/07/13/chicago-white-sox-2005-reunion-weekend/

I just try to pass along the information, not commentating one way or the other on the minor league system. Schultz like C. Montgomery are two especially important keys to this so-called rebuild. They need to do well, period, full stop or this is going to set things back even farther than they are already expected to. Unless something happens and Ishbia takes control sooner than expected. If that happens things may change in a hurry. Overall though much like the first rebuild with the Bust Brothers, things aren't proceeding as smoothly or as quickly as everyone is hoping it appears. It would be nice though if one time the Sox had a prospect recently, that tore apart the minor leagues and then did the same at the big league level. That would be a big positive overall.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/07/12/white-sox-2005-world-series-paul-konerko-pope-leo-xiv-sox-fan-noah-schultz-futures-game

Schultz got rocked again, this time in the future's game: Schultz smoked again in Futures Game For the second year in a row, Sox top pitching prospect Noah Schultz went to the Futures Game and had a miserable performance in the All-Star prospects showcase. Last year, he faced six batters and allowed four runs, giving up three hits, walking one batter and hitting another. Saturday, he again allowed four runs – the only runs the AL gave up in a 4-2 loss – giving up four hits, including a homer, to the six hitters he faced. While last season was strong for Schultz outside of the midsummer exhibition, this latest rough-up in the Futures Game follows a string of three straight bad starts to begin his time at Triple-A Charlotte; he has an 11.91 ERA.

My opinion on this probably would change had I known Ishbia was going to eventually take control but at the time it was still the JR show, which meant he wasn't going to agree to a long term, big money extension. So under those parameters Getz really had no choice.

If him suddenly playing well means the Brewers can actually win that division over the Cubs, (which I don't think will happen in both cases), I won't complain about it. He just wasn't getting it done with the Sox.

The pregame ceremony was nice at least. To bad the Sox rolled over and died during the actual game itself. Just wondering for anybody who has watched everything the past two days or been to the park itself, has JR been around at all?

They are all built like Greek Gods yet all are made of glass. Like Ozzie once said, "fat doesn't pull..." 😆

Those prices they are considering (LOL) are simply outrageous.

Danny and Danny Kaye almost bought the White Sox as well. Danny Thomas would go on to become one of the first owners of the Miami Dolphins.

According to Jeff Torborg, Koukax ALWAYS threw in pain. In fact Jeff told me that Sandy was taking aspirin during games it was so bad. After the game he'd have to have his elbow packed in ice for an hour. Jeff couldn't believe he'd go out there every four days despite the pain. His elbow was arthritic which is why he had to retire prematurely after the 1966 season.

4th time this year the Sox trailed in the 7th inning or later and won the game. Nice that they won something on Buehrle's night and with so many of the 2005 players on hand.