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QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 10:14 PM) Seems very odd that the players we think the Sox have targeted have moved up on a lot of these lists ( Meadows, Tucker, Marte, Keller )while the guys they acquired are moving down (Moncada, Giolito). In fairness to Moncada, Benintendi moved up more than he moved down.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 09:55 PM) I will end this with Rick Hahn's own words. Let's hope that all the trade talk, fact or fiction, does not have a negative effect on Q. We need him to pitch like a #1 this year until Hahn is able to get what he wants for him.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) Unless Levine knows exactly what teams have offered then there's no reason to think the Sox are nuts if they don't trade Q. As for the WBC, I don't think pitching in the WBC is any more of a threat than pitching in ST. Iirc, pitch counts are monitored in the WBC just like ST. Levine must be incredibly bored like the rest of us. Come on baseball, let's get going already! It will getlively pretty quickly as players are already out throwing. I think we will be hearing some Chris Sale quotes very soon as Boston media desends on Florida.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 12, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) Except Benitendi and Moncada both weren't on the table in July. Also the Red Sox and White Sox situations are very different. The Red Sox called up both but not to play what had been their primary position. Because J. Bradley is elite in CF, Benintendi ended up in LF. Even if Bradley got moved last winter, Betts is considered a better CF than Benintendi so he still would have played a corner. Moncada was forced to move to 3rd. Maybe that was disruptive and contributed to his dismal performance. But if either came to the White Sox they would have been able to play their primary positiom. Certainly with talent being close, a good CF is more valuable than a 2b. I agree w many that Benintendi has a lower ceiling but Moncada still needs work offensively and defensively. Hopefully being back at 2B next week will have a positive impact on his bat and his head.

Harold Reynolds, commenting on Moncada at #2, said he felt he should go north w Sox and learn on the job rather than at AAA. He felt playing in Boston last year should benefit him despite the poor showing because of exposure to guys like Ortiz and Pedroia.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 11:11 AM) I think the educated fan can pretty obviously follow the trade market and understand why Sale and Eaton got moved, and why others didn't... And it isn't because the government was behind 9/11. I said way back that Q would not be traded this winter and several educated fans on this site said I was wrong. "Just look at all the rumors" they said. Well I will predict Q will be still w the Sox when spring training opens this week. He also will be with the Sox when the season ends as well.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) Except the product currently on the field is not somewhat competitive, the Sox are a bottom 5 team right now. They may be but they are also in what may be the worse division in baseball this year. So that may keep them competitive until the trade deadline.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 06:06 PM) You can keep telling yourself this, but the Sox are doing a legit rebuild. I didn't say their rebuild is not legit. But it is very strange that they were able to trade their 2 "clubhouse problems" pretty quickly but were not able to move any of the other 23 players on their roster. I think a lot of fans( just look at this thread) expected more trades before spring training . But it looks like the FO may have a much longer timeline for the rebuild than the fans in order to try and keep the product on the field somewhat competitive. That is also a legit rebuild approach.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) True lol we let our hunger blind us. Maybe the FO's idea of a rebuild is not what we fans thought it was.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:27 PM) That wasn't my assertion. I said it will be better in some respects. I think Moncada will be up before the AllStar break and possibly before that. I also think that a catching tandem of Soto and Narvaez will not be much worse than what we had last season. I didn't mention Center Field but Austin Jackson was injured early so we might be better off with Charlie Tilson and Bourjous or whoever else makes the roster as a 4th outfielder. The other thing to look at it the competition in the Central. Cleveland is still heavily favored but KC might not be as good (with the notable loss a lock-down Closer) and Minnesota is not looking very strong. Detroit looks like they don't know which way they are going and may start trading off some of their star players. It's all just too early to predict right now, only to guess. So Shields fails. I doubt the Sox keep throwing him out there. They will make a move for another starter or bring someone up for his spot. Renteria is a better Manager than Ventura and that will make a huge difference. Many of these guys were asleep last season. This is why we are done trading. Add another arm, get Moncada to go north from ST and we can compete for a wildcard. Hurry and get a bet down because Vegas odds will soon reflect our optimism.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) I'm excited to see the responses to this one. I really hope Giolito can progress this year, but I hope he's up by June at the very earliest. Not sure if he'll be on an innings limit but that could play a factor as well. My predictions - 4-6, 4.28 ERA, 88 K's, 1.32 WHIP, 8.6 K/9, and 1.8 WAR in 15 starts Need a full year in AAA. Up in September.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 09:04 AM) I have no information, but I do think today is a day something happens. If Q reads this board, he has probably spent the last month visiting the team shrink on a daily basis. Hopefully all the Q talk in the media does not affect his mental state when he arrives in ST this weekend.

QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) Dear god, please let him get traded soon... Soon = 2017.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 10:38 AM) Is it safe to say that Q is on the team until the deadline if he isn't traded before pitchers and catchers report? \ Actually the decision will be based on the deadline for printing the names on the jerseys. That is probably 2/9-2/10. There is no way he is traded after his jerseys are finished.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 5, 2017 -> 02:53 AM) Not that I have any knowledge, but Avisail Garcia seems the exact type of player with whom Williams would have fallen in love and Hahn would have declined. I seem to recall the Sox wanting someone else - may have been Iglesias himself - for Peavy, but the Sox upper hands asked for Garcia over anyone else. Never liked him. Never made sense to me. I compared him to Juan Encarnacion at that point. That's optimistic at this point. A best possible scenario is Edwin Encarnacion, and thats like a 1000 to 1 chance. He's more likely to be successful as a relief pitcher than he is as an outfielder. White Sox were not sold on Iglesias so Red Sox got Tigers involved since they were desperate for a replacement SS due to an injury. Tigers either saw something in Iglesias the White Sox didn't or they got lucky.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 06:50 PM) No reason to move Jose right now given that Moncada is critical to the future and it would behoove the Sox to do everything possible to make sure he's in a great state of mind entering this season. Moncada either steps into the bigs this year, holds his own (say coming up in July for a good 250+ PA run) or he stalls and his status as a potential superstar takes a big hit. I think he needs a full year in AAA on both sides of the ball. He has to return to playing 2nd base this year and unless he has a huge turnaround, he needs another year working on his hitting. Remember he finished last year w Boston in bad shape. He needs to regain his confidence and it could take a while. I think next September is more realistic. A big year in AAA and a July return would be great.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) I don't buy it. Just posturing. The Red Sox moved the #1 prospect who was considered untouchable. No prospect is off limits besides the obvious ones - Turner, Bregman, etc. I am not sure Moncada was untouchable from a Red Sox standpoint. Obviously Chris Sale is move valuable than any prospect. I don't think the Red Sox were discouraged by Moncada's stumble after the call-up. But I do think they were amazed at how well Benintendi performed in a 100 AB stretch. They may have decided that they could deal Moncada because they still had Devers and Benintendi to fill their 2 biggest holes in the coming seasons. The success of Benintendi hopefully allowed us to get a real stud in the Sale trade.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 09:33 AM) It's so f***ing ridiculous. Dude has plus, plus tools across the board and absolutely raked in the minors in his first season since defecting from Cuba. How would 20 at-bats change when he should have never been called up change his prospect status? Moncada was horrible in his 20 AB. But that should have no effect on his ranking. He was recalled from AA not AAA. I could see a minor drop with Moncada because he has not been established with a set position( not his fault). He was moved from 2nd because he was blocked and he was mediocre at 3rd. So maybe he gets a slight drop as a prospect until he looks ML ready at a set position. Since Hahn has made the decision that he is a 2nd baseman, then a full season in AAA should determine his ability to handle 2nd.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) If that's the case, then he should definitely pass. Newman is not an acceptable second piece unless Meadows is the headliner. Just wondering how current is this listing. Benintendi had over 100 AB in Boston last year so he shouldn't be considered a prospect. Someone who gets called up and stays on MLB roster is not a prospect to me but maybe Zips uses a different criteria.

I think there is another possibility in the way the rebuild has gone. I do think it is interesting that the two "problem childs" were traded but not one other trade was made. But competing next year is not realistic. So maybe the front office felt they should do the rebuild over two seasons so that the roster was not a disaster going into sales of 2017 tickets. Then the team can still promote ticket sales for 2017 with guys like Abreu, Anderson and Q. Then do another sell-off in July with the hope that 1 or 2 of the young players already acquired will be ML ready. Then finish the sell off next winter and promote 2018 with Anderson and the young stars that have emerged.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) You can call Q a 3 on both of those teams but he could easily be the 2 on both teams and the 1 on the Cubs this upcoming year imo. Agree and he could also be the 4 on both as well. I think it will be interesting to see how Sale handles the pressure of pitching in a major media baseball market and for a team that is expected to make the playoffs. David Price had his struggles in Boston his first year and Porcello also had a rough first year the year before. Sale will be regularly seeing 30-40+ media members versus the typical number he saw in Chicago.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) Comparing McHugh as being roughly equal to Quintana was where that article loses me It cherry picked stats while ignoring huge WAR differences Quintana in the past 4 season = 18.1 WAR McHugh in the same time span = 7.8 WAR McHugh's performance has gotten worse each of the past two seasons and he is now in the #4/#5 starter territory Quintana is a #1 on most teams and a #2 on a world series contender Q is a #1 on many but not sure most teams. I would think the heavy favorites to meet in the 2017 World Series are the Red Sox and Cubs. Q is a #3 on both of them.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 05:38 PM) Same here. Especially Peter. You'd think he could easily beat out Leury Garcia for a super-utility role. Last year at Charlotte Garcia hit .313 and Peter hit .259 so I am not sure Peter easily beats him out.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) I won't go that far (at least yet), but to me it's clear that Eaton and Sale were headed out no matter what this offseason. There is much less motivation to move anyone else and will have to be blown away to move forward with a full tear down. I think it is getting to the point where a full tear down will not happen or was not the plan. I can see holding out on Q but I think the fact that none of the 2nd tier players have been traded is a sign that the goal was to unload Eaton and Sale. Maybe that was a compromise between Hahn wanting a full tear and KW wanting a half-tear.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) Those players certainly can make a difference. I still remember when I was a kid, and the sports guy on 10 o'clock news made a number of pre-season predictions for the White Sox based on ifs. He then humorously ended by saying that 'if if was a ship, we would all go sailing.' I could be wrong, but didn't Hahn say Moncada was being moved back to 2nd?? I think one of the big questions in ST will be what his future position will be. Boston moved him from 2nd because of Pedroia but his play at 3rd was mediocre. There was talk by some media in Boston that he might ultimately end up as a RF due to his arm strength.