The Mighty Mite

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 07:32 AM) 1) I'm told that a new stadium could still be built in the South Loop at Roosevelt and Clark. Keep in mind that the City of Chicago offered to build a stadium at that site in the mid 1980s and JR stupidly rejected the offer. JR wanted to have a stadium built in Addison. Just by coincidence the stadium would have been built on land that he owned. 2) Nobody ever talks about this but for many years the White Sox did their spring training in Sarasota Florida. Out of nowhere JR announced that the team would be moving to Tuscon Arizona for their spring training games. It was somewhat of a head scratcher. Tuscon wasn't really close to the other teams that trained in Arizona. Turns out JR owned the land that the stadium was built on. More tax benefits for JR. Moved to Florida in 1993 and it just was another lousy move by JR in which he screwed Sox fans. I was really pissed as were many Sox fans who lived in Sarasota. Many retirees in Florida retire to towns where their favorite MLB team train. Naples - Ft. Myers has huge number of Red Sox fans as does Lakeland with the Tigers, Clearwater with the Phillies and Bradenton with the Pirates. IIRC the Tigers having been training in Lakeland since the late 1940s.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 05:23 PM) Now that I'm a grown ass man and live in the west suburbs, I wish Reinsdorf would have pulled off the move to Addison. I can't even imagine living 10 minutes away from the Sox's stadium, would be so f***ing awesome. I lived in Wheaton at the time of the Addison deal and it would have been great.

QUOTE (mac9001 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 06:00 PM) Your average Cub fan is not a baseball fan. They're just looking for some decent entertainment. You offer an competitive entertainment experience and people will show up. This is all kind of a moot point as the land they had available is now being developed. But there's no doubt in my mind it presented the best location in Chicagoland for building a huge entertainment focused development anchored with baseball stadium. That entire area, the western burbs and most of Northern Chicago is being heavily developed. If i'm going to build a new stadium it's definitely not on the south side of Chicago. If the south side is the only option I start to seriously considering other cities such as Vegas. Agree, either downtown or a near Western suburb, somewhere like Hillside which would put it smack dab in the middle of the Metro area.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:02 PM) The fluctuations in attendance back then are crazy: https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CH...le-scores.shtml May 28 vs. KC, Tuesday day game: 3,647 May 30 vs. CLE Thursday day doubleheader: 38,150 June 1 vs. DET : Saturday afternoon: 9,413 June 8 vs. BAL: Saturday afternoon: 5,642 June 11 vs. Yankees: Tuesday night: 49,114 June 12 vs. Yankees: Wednesday night: 40,033 Nobody went to games on Saturday afternoons back then? That's true and that was the norm for MLB in those years, usually big Friday night crowds, small Saturday crowds and big crowds on Sunday afternoons and usually a Double Header. I would bet that Saturday afternoons was the only day when the Cubs outdrew the Sox, why I don't know. No Saturday night games back then. My guess is that the work week was a lot different, most worked 9-5 jobs Monday through Friday, Saturday was the day that the old man would work around the house and do other chores but still listening to Bob Elson on the radio. As far as Sunday most everything was closed except drug stores and gas stations.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Just last night I was going through some archived material (my summer project has been to organize all the stuff I have in printed form on the Sox in individual folders by season). I came across the front page of the Chicago Tribune sports section from June 14, 1957 it was the day after the huge "base-brawl" between the Yankees and Sox at Comiskey that had racial overtones, went for :30 minutes and saw five players ejected. Anyway on the bottom right side of the front page was a box with this headline: "Sox, Yanks draw 112,548...Giants, Cubs draw 8,518." Both teams had played a three game series. That was probaby the fight when Walt Dropo beat the crap out of Enos Slaughter.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) I just buy 4 upper reserve tickets for less than 30 bucks total. We then walk in to the stadium and go directly to the lower level third base side about 12 rows up. Security gives zero fuxx. I remember a day in the early 60s at Wrigley where 5,000 was a large crowd for weekday game. Anyway that was the first satellite in space able to transmit TV to Europe, it was called Telstar and about 10 minutes before the transmission PA announcer Pat Pieper asked all fans in the park to move down to the lower box seats so It would look like the place was full. Bleacher fans stayed put to go along with the prank.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:44 PM) So we're playing 23 on 25 against Kershaw? This...may not end well.... We could have all 25 plus everybody at Charlotte and we will still lose.

Doesn't matter with Rodon, these guys are headed to the bottom of the American League with the worst record for this year, 2018 and maybe 2019.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) MLB.TV available for 39.99 rest of the year, I gave in and bought. Go Sox. I usually get the single team package but I'll pass on this deal, the Sox will really be hard to watch the next 2+ months. I'll continue to get my baseball fix watching the Rays and Marlins.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 05:46 PM) http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07...chael-reinsdorf That answers just about everything, thanks.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) Very, VERY seriously doubt it. Eventually new ownership will take over...that changes everything in my opinion. Question, don't know if you have the answer. Say JR dies but the rest of the owners decide not to sell, can JR's kids overrule the rest of the owners or is it a done deal that the club is to be sold when JR dies.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) Lol - your time would be better spent reading the Mighty Mite's posts and less time on these tedious insults. You might actually pick up on a few simple yet accurate concepts that poster articulates very well that seem to escape you. Be careful Thad, I've already been asked if we are related.

Good move, home field advantage should go to the team with the best record.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:20 PM) For 15 years they were one of the best in baseball, but within like 2 years they needed to move, all of for reasons that would have hit many other teams in baseball? I mean that is kind of the point. Even at their peak, they haven't been one of the big market teams. Big market teams easily ride through that kind of stuff. It is the middle and smaller market teams that have the kind of problems the White Sox have historically had. Actually 17 straight years of winning baseball, growing up that's all I knew, that the Sox were always going to be contenders. One of the big problems from the beginning days of the franchise has been bad ownership, from the Comiskey family to Veeck to the Allyns to Veeck again and to JR. A close second has been the location of the ballpark, not a big issue in the early years but from the mid 20th century the ballpark's neighborhood has gotten a bad rap. I retired to Florida in 1993 but in the years I lived up there I attended hundred of games at old Comiskey and a few more at the new park, never once did I have any issue or witness any kind of crime in arriving or leaving the park, saw many fights in the park especially in the 50s and 60s when the damn Yankees came to town.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) Even in the 60's the White Sox were trying to move. Late 60s, things went bad in 1968 not only on the field but with riots from the MLK assassination and the Democrat National Convention, the Cubs also becoming contenders for the first time since the mid 40s didn't help things. Three times we came close to losing the team, one of these years it's going to happen.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) One thing would be to look at all time top attendance figures. You can blame JR all you want but there are only 5 teams that have an all time top attendance mark lower than the White Sox. That to me indicates they are not in reality a large market team. Even when everything goes right, the people don't come out like they do under similar circumstances in other cities. In the 50s and 60s, Chicago was a White Sox town often outdrawing the Cubs by a 2-1 margin. When JR bought the Sox in 1981 the town was equally divided. The Sox were the first Chicago team to draw 2 million in 1983, so things were still looking good but JR started a run of disaster moves that lost a couple of generations to the Cubs, those moves and the great marketing job by the Tribune and Harry Caray that made Wrigley Field the greatest place ever to watch a baseball game really hurt the Sox. Press coverage in the town was really lopsided. So now we are in this situation were the Cubs out draw us by a 2-1 margin. I have no idea what kinds of moves the Sox can make to rectify the situation, it would probably take a new ball park in a better location and an extended run of first place finishes and a couple of WS Championships and that still might not do the trick. Don't count on this hapenning, this franchise has never made the post season 2 years in a row in their 117 years. When the lease is up in a decade or so, my guess is there will be about 3 or 4 towns that will throw out some sweetheart deals to get the Sox to move.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 08:12 PM) lol, no. Maybe I should have said the Sox are suppose to be a big market franchise, the main reason they're not is they are owned by JR and company. The franchise has been a joke since 2008 and new ownership is needed more than anything, I'm not a fan of the rebuild because I know the front office will in the long run screw it up.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) Hopefully when he shows he is better than AAA competition. He has been very average lately and last i saw his SO rate was over 30%. After his miserable showing in Boston last fall, hopefully our FO waits until he is playing well in AAA. This is his first year at this level and he is having his ups and downs like many young players. This is a wasted year so we certainly don't want to screw up our prized young player. Yep.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 05:16 PM) Sure, but they're not going to need to spend until after 2018 at the earliest. That money will be there when they need it, because they have to look pretty similar to the 2014/15 Cubs heading into the new tv contract negotiations. They look like a .500 club at best, with the farm system stalled, then is the time that $60 million becomes quite critical. Keep in mind, we're likely competing with CLE and Minnesota then, NOT the Cubs. That's a much lower bar than the Cubs or even the Cards, and we still beat St. Louis for Robert. Actually we are competing with the American League and we need to be as good as the Yankees, Red Sox and for now the Astros. The White Sox are a big market team and need to step up and bring in big market players.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) Attendance is no longer the "be all-end all" for a franchise. Trust me, the Sox are in excellent financial shape regardless of if they draw 1.5 million or 1.7 million or 1.9 million. MLB teams are making money hand over foot from all the other income driven lines of operation both nationally and internationally. Plus you have the clause in the stadium deal which in a bizarre sort of way actually rewards the Sox (poor choice of words I know) for NOT having a big attendance because then they don't have to pay as much for stadium upkeep / rent as I recall. I'm sure the Sox would rather draw well since that means more income from parking / concessions and the like but if they don't, financially they are fine. Given they are on their way to their 8th losing season in 11 years, what did you honestly expect? Disagree on attendance not having that much of an impact, the Cubs for example are going to outdraw us by about 1,500,000, at an average price of a seat at around a conservative 40 bucks that comes out to 61,000,000 dollars, that comes out to having enough money to sign 3 or 4 pretty good free agents.

Players that I saw play since 1952: 1B Konerko 2B Fox SS Aparicio 3B Ventura LF Minoso CF Lemon RF Baines DH Thomas C Fisk SP Pierce SP Buerhle SP Wood SP Horlen SP Peters RP Thigpen RP Hernandez RP Jenks RP Foulke RP Staley SP-RP Sale Bench IF Guillen IF Allen IF Durham IF Melton OF Landis OF Ordonez C Lollar Manager Lopez

So many since I've been a fan since the early 1950s. Here are just a few that I attended. First game, a 5-4 victory over the old Washington Senators, July 15, 1955. Second game of the 1959 World Series even though it was a loss to the Dodgers. July 31, 1977 a great come from behind win against the Royals in the first game of a DH. Over 50,000 in the old barn and that victory put us up by 7 games in the division. I've never seen and heard old Comiskey rock like it did after the win. It was all down hill after that weekend for the Southside Hitmen as they finished third at 90-72 but 1977 was one of the most fun ever for at old Comiskey. Opening day in 1981 at Comiskey before 51,000, Fisk's first home game with the Sox and he hit a grand slam to lead the Sox to a big win over the Brewers. Division clincher against the Mariners in 1993 at new Comiskey. That was the game that Bo Jackson hit a pop up that somehow landed in the left field seats and won the game. Lots of dancing in the aisles after the game as the Sox came out for a victory lap. We moved to Florida 3 months after that game so I missed out on 2000, 2005 and 2008 but did see many Sox games in Tampa plus a few games when we came back to Chicago to visit family.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Then why haven't they drawn more, and why would putting a better team out there make things better if the game didn't matter? The last time the Sox did a total rebuild was 1987 attendance 1987 1,208,060 1988 1,115,749 1989 1,045,951 Then they won 94 games and drew 2 million in 1990. They had a nice team in 1990 but the main reason they doubled the attendance from 1989 was because 1990 was the last year for old Comiskey.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) There is evidence at the state level that this simply does not work like you'd want it to. Well at least it will stop the Politicians from becoming filthy rich, Harry Reid was almost broke when he came to Washington, he is now worth millions, how does that happen on the salary of a Senator or a Congressman makes?

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 01:58 PM) They are called "politicians." And there are still 538 of them in Washington that will be making the laws. If they really wanted to "Drain the Swamp," people like McCain wouldn't be reelected. Not because he's a bad representative, but because he is a lifetime politician. That didn't happen. If you really want to drain the swamp the people of this country have to start a movement demanding term limits in the US House and Senate.