Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 08:33 AM) Score another point for the White Sox. Sox push for him: 1. Guaranteed at-bats 2-3 games between starts no matter if he struggles (contender probably can't hold onto that promise if he is struggling) for 2 years. 2. No Japanese stars 3. Medical/training staff. Sox are great at breaking in young pitchers into the league. Will be breaking in others for a full season of work so Sox can carry 6th starter/long reliever type to help make it through the season and provide more rest. 4. Can grow with the rest of the young players brought in over the past year (and even before that) 5. While Chicago does not have a huge Japanese population, Chicago has a very diverse population in general. Also, have Tadahito Iguchi reach out to him to talk about his time in the city.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/whit...ob-scahill.html From Winfield, Illinois and went to college at Bradley.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 08:32 AM) Shohei Ohtani development: Multiple @MLB team execs believe Ohtani may actually prefer to sign with a club that doesn’t already have a Japanese star; Ohtani’s camp has not commented on that. @MLBNetwork https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/936600677220003841 How many Japanese "stars" are there even in the MLB currently? Tanaka? Wherever Darvish signs? Or does it just mean players in general?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 08:11 AM) Ratio-ed Well if anything Ron just guaranteed another awesome year from Jose LOL

QUOTE (ron883 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) Gawd you Abreuniks slay me... The Jose lovefest never ends. I like him as much as anybody, but I just don't see the point in NOT trading him when his value is high and when they can resign him if they so desire. But, spending that 20 M a year for 3-4 years youd spend on Abreu would look much nicer in a front loaded Machado contract. The question was "who would you rather trade?" I would rather sell high on Avi due to Jose having more of a track record.

30-1 wow

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 07:26 AM) I think you still have to include collins to that Group as some Scouts think he won't cut it defensively at catcher. of course neither of them is proven but you have to take some gambles in a rebuild. I mean if you wanted only proven Players you shouldnt have traded sale, q and eaton in the first place. Well duh. Except we're not going to trade Abreu without getting a big prospect or two back like each of those deals though. My preference: 1. Trade him for a haul 2. Extend him to a 4-5 year deal 3. Trade him in a deal where you do not receive a top prospect or two 4. Ride out these 2 years and get nothing for him (other than a draft pick)

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 05:34 AM) extending abreu doesn't really make sense. basically half of the sox hitting prospects are 1B , DH or fringy 3B that might have to shift to first. even if they never become as good as abreu (which probably is quite likely) still one of them should have more value down the road than abreu in a couple years if you consider decline and salary. of course they all could fail but honestly if you target Corner Players that much and neither of them makes it your rebuild won't work anyway. some dices just Need to fall your way for a successfull rebuild. the sox Need one or two of those Corner guys to become at least 2-3 win (ideally of course 3+) Players so they can spend Money on Areas that might Need an upgrade down the road (SS, C, maybe a pitcher or two or CF). How many of those guys are proven? Can always trade from depth later.

F*** it, come at me bruh.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) Generally "Teasers" are supposed to be shorter, but I've never seen a 5 minute trailer. I've seen people combine 2-3 trailers into a single one - that happened for Star Wars last year and I shared it here, but that wasn't an official thing, the trailers were each about 2 minutes. Maybe not 5 but definitely longer than 4 mins. I've seen a lot of close to 4:30 trailers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) I have to imagine they are also looking at all of the Braves kids that just got set loose. That too.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) Exactly. It's the Red Sox who are inquiring...not us. The pressure is on them to ante up because they are the ones in "win now" mode. I think it's funny all the Boston fans saying this prospect or that player is TOO MUCH for Abreu. Well...it doesn't really matter because if it's too much, you don't get the player you're asking for if you don't match the price. I know the logic is profound...but if you believe a certain player is the missing link to a championship run, you pay to get him. If not, you pay an inflated amount to get someone not as good on the FA market and hope it works out in your favor. Not much else to it. Go sign Adam Lind if that's closer to your price range. I'm thinking they sign Santana. That way they hold onto their last few chips and don't have to go over 4 years or sign Hosmer long-term.

Unique enough for this thread?

Angels received $1.21 million, all of the Braves remaining bonus pool money, along with Johnson for a prospect. Angels now have $1.315 million to offer Ohtani. I'll add them to the list of teams I expect to sign him (along with Yankees, Rangers and Mariners).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) Assuming all of them are successful AND healthy? I wouldn't bet on it. Both Davidson and Cordell missed significant amounts of time last season. I was just saying to POSSIBLY open up the year. Whether they could last a full year, who knows.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) If Avi and Abreu are dealt, there will be at least a couple of these kind of guys who play this year for sure. You'd have Gillaspie at first if he is good in the spring, Davidson at DH (which is likely right now), Cordell in RF.

Subject change, please?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 01:13 PM) Damn it Law, you dream crusher. I still will blindly believe ? Still willing to give him a year or two of at bats to prove him wrong. Worst case scenario, a team still has his arm.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 12:13 PM) Jon Morosi‏Verified account @jonmorosi Giancarlo Stanton trade development: Source says #Marlins likely would accept offer of Panik, Beede and Shaw for Stanton alone -- if #SFGiants committed to paying at least $250 million of the $295 million left on Stanton’s contract. @MLB @MLBNetwork Wasn't there an update yesterday saying the Giants are willing to take on the entire contract? Don't know if it meant for that package or not though.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) Sure, but why would he sign that? He'll probably get 2 years and $40M the next 2 seasons. So he's effectively getting 2 guaranteed years at $20M per. Security? Sure...but I think he'd do better in FA in he doesn't fall flat on his face the next two seasons. For what would be his age 33 season and on? Probably better but not much.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Again, why can't the White Sox trade them now, and sign them later if there is a need and they are worth the money? It's pretty much a free look at how they will age, and you get some assets for assets you don't need while you aren't going to contend. You obviously will have competition, and their new teams will have some sort of say, but they save their current salaries for a couple of seasons, so if they are worth it later, they can pay them more then. This is fine too.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Just a general observation about AAV and excess value, as I notice a lot of people using that to lower their perception of an Abreu return at his salary. Does it not ignore supply and demand and pretend as though any of 30 teams can have any player at what they view as appropriate value WAR for dollar spent? There are only so many consistent top 10 hitting first basemen in baseball. The whole league days so hard now to accouunt for defense, it overinflates guys like Hayward, and undervalued almost all 1b in my opinion. Part of that is less steroids in the game too. Just a thought when people say groome+chavis (or whatever) is too much for abreu This was all over the thread on MLBTR. It was getting annoying to read. I ended up breaking it down very simple for someone on there: If Abreu is dealt, that means Rick Hahn received a great haul. It's that simple since the Sox don't have to just trade him away. He's not blocking anyone and they have no salary commitments next year (outside of Shields).

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) You just have to squint really hard. Lol figured someone would say that. That was more of a "teaser" or "teaser trailer" than an actual full trailer correct? Seems like trailers are usually around 4-5 minutes long.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) In trailer, no Hawkeye and no Spidey in that big battle scene or Iron Man, but War Machine is. Didn't see Ant-Man either.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) The cosmic cube was in Captain America, they already knew where they were going That's true too.