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QUOTE (mac9001 @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:10 PM) I would imagine Ryan Cordell would need to really impress to the break camp with the team. Since he missed a big chunk of last year I figure he'll need to show at least 100 quality PAs to justify getting the a roster spot. With the roster flexibility Leury, Saladino, Sanchez, Delmonico & Davidson provide I wonder if the Sox would consider carrying 8 bullpen arms. In that case I would assume Cordell is the most likely to start in Charlotte. Anyone have any hope Engel will hit enough to justify a big league job? Consider? This was the case all of last season.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 11:42 AM) Contract details. Bob Nightengale @BNightengale now Yu Darvish $126 million contract: $25 million in 2018; $20M in 2019; $22 M in 2020; $22 M in 2021; $19 million in 2022 and $18 million in 2023 He also has full no trade clause in first four years of deal. #Cubs Worth mentioning since people forget that his contract hits the luxury tax number on an annual basis so his contract hits at $21 million a year.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 10:28 AM) Cahill is a good idea. He probably can't stay healthy as a rotation piece at this point, but if you want to talk about a guy who could be ideal to become the next Miller/Devenski/McCullers multi-inning reliever, he's a great candidate. And if we're honest about the level of uncertainty in our rotation (given all the rookies and the James Shields'), we could really use a guy who can chew up 2-4 innings on a regular basis whilst actually keeping us in the game. Great fit, IMO. Yeah I like this idea too.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 10:22 AM) Wellington Castillo was signed for a reason other than catching. He's here to attract Machado. But because of his presence, they aren't going to bring in a Lucroy. They are going to roll with him, and when Machado is signed by someone, then all bets with him will be off. They're still going to have to offer the most money to land Machado. Doubt he would leave millions of dollars on the table to play with a guy who was a teammate for one season. I'm sure Machado has friends on most teams.

QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 09:43 AM) The idea on paper makes sense. But who are these players? Most agree that 2020 is when the Sox will be ready to truly compete. That's another two seasons. If you are signing a bigger name FA who you think you may be getting on a discount, you're not signing them to produce in the 2018 and 2019 season. It's for 2020 and beyond. So what players out there right now are you paying that you feel comfortable about them producing at a high level in 2020, 2021 and beyond? Again, I understand your point and I think it has some merit, but who are the specific players that fit that bill? A guy like Lorenzo Cain if he were about 2 years younger would have been a nice add. But yeah, there are no perfect fits in the current class.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 09:43 AM) Quintana seemed to be developed rather nicely The category was "high draft picks."

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 09:36 AM) I agree with this. Obviously it depends on value, but if 3 WAR players are signing for $8.5 million, grabbing a bargain makes a ton of sense. At the very least, they can be very flippable at the deadline. Obviously, I have no idea who is available for what price, but bargains that can help you win down the road shouldn't be ignored. Chances are, the opportunity so many may be available might not ever happen again. This is a good point too. Someone signed to a multi-year contract at a bargain price can be moved next off-season or the following year.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 12:57 AM) Gorman would be fun because not only is he apparently super polished hitter, but appears to have a good chance to stay at 3B. It would eliminate some of the worry that Burger can't stick at 3B, and maybe a shift to 1B wouldn't be so daunting. Then again, we have like 4 possible future 1B. Yeah I just looked into a write up on him and watched some videos. I would be ok with this pick too. Also, it seems like most of our guys are right handed so adding another left-handed power bat to the mix wouldn't hurt.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 09:28 AM) Some concerns that haven't been addressed. If the Sox do spend next off season because of the amount of quality free agents on the market shouldn't they be taking advantage of the market now while it's cold and prices are down? I don't know who might benefit the Sox the most at this time but free agents next year will want 2 things, money and to be on a winning team. Should n't the Sox do something to make the team more competitive to next years crop of free agents ? Shields should be off the books next year so might another starting pitcher benefit them ? Relying only on young starting pitching even if the target date is 2020 is risky business, Also if the target date is truly 2020 isn't it also risky business to expect next years good crop of FA's to wait a year or even possibly longer to be on a winning team? The Phillies might be thinking along those lines with the signing of Santana and still are rumored to have interest in a starting pitcher. The Sox might end up with too many holes to fill when they actually do decide to spend and the competition for the top free agents will be fierce so being a competitive team would surely work in their favor just as being a few years away will work against them. Other concerns for the rebuild is what happens if JR dies suddenly or the players strike after the 2021 season which would be right in the middle of the supposed window of competitiveness if all goes right ? Obviously the 1st concern is the most pressing but these other 2 things could easily happen and in the event of JR's sudden death how does the rebuild survive ? Not disagreeing but who would you be ok with the team signing? For me personally, the only guy out there who makes a little sense is basically a DH and he only makes sense since he doesn't have a draft pick attached to him.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 09:09 AM) Not sure Rodon and Fulmer are a feather in our cap at the moment. Yeah our only one that we have to fallback on currently is Sale. Not sure that makes it our "bread and butter" at the moment.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 08:27 AM) I . I was hoping JR would sell the team. The sooner the team is sold the better the franchise is going to be. New owners will spend money on quality free agents not Adam LaRoche. Secondly new owners will show Rick Hahn the door. He has been the GM for over 5 years and the team is still "Mired In Mediocrity". If Hahn had been the GM in Boston, New York or the Cubs he would have been gone by now. I'm told by my contacts that JR is going to put the team up for sale sometime in 2019 which means the new owners will be running the team in 2020. I hope this is true. You were hoping like it was even a remote possibility?

QUOTE (Dubzinski rules @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 07:58 AM) Good point. Maybe if there's a glut of FA catchers they could sneak him through or how about signing an upgrade? Could probably sneak him through waivers at the end of Spring Training when teams are cutting guys trying to create their own 40-man roster openings.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 03:56 AM) You're assuming we forget how to develop high draft pick starting pitchers. That's always been this team's bread and butter and I don't see it changing as long as key personnel remain in place. Hopefully those high draft pick starting pitchers can stay on the field like Rodon. Health is always a factor.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 01:12 AM) Haha at the time I responded, the MLBTR article quotes said it wasn't for sure the same contract.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 07:37 PM) If the guys are young enough sure but at this point it's kind of hard to even know where the holes are on the roster. It's all projection and wishful thinking And a little over a season's worth of data on some of these guys isn't a great sample size.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:54 PM) It means the White Sox are going to have a very low team payroll in 2018. And it also means the 2019 team payroll will be even lower. What should they be spending on right now?

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 06:34 PM) 1) They are rebuilding as cheaply as possible. 2) They are rebuilding as cheaply as possible. 3) They are rebuilding as cheaply as possible. What does this even mean? Lol

QUOTE (oldsox @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 03:12 PM) Chatwood is a great pinch runner, mediocre pitcher. His numbers away from Coors would say otherwise.

QUOTE (BurlyMan56 @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 10:12 AM) Hiding in plain sight at Sox Fest. Smh! I'm actually wondering if he sold any to former-players that weekend.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 10:12 AM) Didn't Halladay have a substance in his system when he died too? if I'm not mistaken coke? Yes.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 07:58 AM) Agree with this...it's kind of been a growing concern of mine as time goes by. Is his "edge" because he's competitive or is it because he's a punk? Is he the TYPE of person you want to invest in and does he fit our brand? OR...is the better all-in option someone like Nolan Arenado--who's going to represent you well? Then you have that Colorado splits issue--and someone switching leagues...a lot to be factored in. Bryce Harper is both...a punk...but he channels it into his competitiveness. If that's the case with Machado, I'm cool with it. Arenado doesn't really have those split issues. Guy can hit away from Coors. Sure his numbers are better at home, but if you check a good amount of players, you'll likely find a good amount of players that are better home than away as well.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 12:36 AM) I love if the Brewers signed him to that deal it would be a great deal but the Cubs do it it sucks. I hate the Cubs as much as anyone but you have to give them a A for the offseason. Signed some very good relievers( no real closer) but damm good pitchers and a very good starter. And with Q for a full season they have a excellent staff and team that matches up with anyone in the national league. Washington and dodgers are good but neither has had much of a offseason. Eaton coming back helps Wash alot. And i wouldn't worry about the cubs and spending money. Rumor is they are going to sign a monster TV contract in the billions in a couple years so I'm sure money isn't the issue right now and in the future. I hope Lester arm fails him this year dervish has his usual banged up year but if there both on with Q and Hendricks that could be lethal. I hate em but you give Theo credit for the offseason IMO Even the Chatwood signing can turn out to be really good. Dude was good on the road last year and great on the road the season before.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 01:11 AM) Reports by Heyman say the Cubs offered the same 6 yrs/$126M to Arrieta but he either didn't want it or didn't accept it right away, so it went to Darvish instead. So it sounds like they valued them the same or maybe were willing to give Jake a little more because they already know he fits the clubhouse and fans like him. It hasn't been confirmed they offered 6 years but I assume the annual salary is the same with maybe a year or two less.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 11, 2018 -> 07:11 PM) Ah for some reason i thought it was ST did a google search but couldn't find info thanks for clarifying that No problem. There was that one season Drew and Morales both sat out until after the draft. Edit: actually, Drew re-signed with his former team prior to the draft so it didn't really matter

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 11, 2018 -> 07:08 PM) I mean sure but after ST doesn't FA lose any draft pick compensation attached to them? At this point with how much Boras has dragged things out why wouldn't you wait another couple of weeks? Prices are going to only continue to go down plus the draft pick penalty will soon be gone Nope. After draft.