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Isn't Rosario a terrible defensive catcher?

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 05:50 PM) I would consider trading the farm for Fernandez, Ozuna and Gordon. The Marlins of all teams may consider it. I dont know who plays short or third after you use Anderson, Fulmer, Adams, M Johnson, Avi, etc. But imagine that rotation along with major upgrades at 2b and rf. Trayce in center, melky to dh. You are going for it with that move and youd have to buy a 3b in FA. Dont love it but desmond? 1. Gordon 2b 2. Eaton lf 3. Abreu 1b 4. Melky dh 5. Ozuna rf 6. Desmond 3b 7. Trayce cf 8. Flowers c 9. Saladino ss More importantly, Sale, Fernandez, Quintana, Rodon, Danks/ E Johnson If KW still had complete control over the team, he would do a trade like this. With Hahn in the picture though, there's no chance a deal like this one would ever happen.

QUOTE (smalls2598 @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) Detroit TigersVerified account ‏@tigers The #Tigers announced today that the club has acquired OF Cameron Maybin from the Atlanta Braves in exchange for LHPs Ian Krol & Gabe Speier Detroit won that trade easily.

QUOTE (Special K @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) From what I saw of LaRoche last season, I'm fairly certain he's the worst player in history of baseball ever. I do not think it's possible to have a bounce back season. Don't think we can trade him either unless the other GM somehow went crazy. Best to let him rot on the pine, move Avi to DH to focus on hitting, and give Trayce a shot. Isn't this exactly what everyone said about Adam Dunn after the 2011 season? He rebounded to have a somewhat good season in 2012. I'm not saying that LaRoche will win the MVP in 2016, but I'm pretty sure that he'll be better than he was last year.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) He was a starter in college. There's no reason not to have him start until he can't. Agreed. This is also why I don't understand why people want to convert Montas into a reliever at this point. Maybe he'll end up being a good starter. Who knows unless you give him a chance?

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 09:52 AM) Eat money(laroche)/move to bullpen (danks) The Sox might as well keep them I guess, as both of them are gone after 2016 anyways. I'd rather just hold onto them than trade them for another bad contract that has a commitment beyond 2016.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 07:57 AM) The thing about including LaRoche/Danks in some of these trades is, while you are shedding salary and a bad player, it's taking away from the return you get- especially when they're included in a proposed Sale/Quintana trade. I wouldn't include them in those deals because I don't want to take away from Sale's/Quintana's enormous value. While that is true, how else are the Sox supposed to get rid of them?

Gordon isn't a guy that I've thought about trading for, but he is really good. He just lacks pop. A 1-2 of Gordon and Eaton would be awesome though.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 08:18 PM) For a "go for it" plan, pretty good (although I don't think we'd get all of that for Quintana). I'd also look for a different trade for Garcia. Trayce can cover CF and Hamilton hits like L Garcia. I like the 2nd and 3rd trades. Thank you for taking the time to look at my post. I wonder if a Garcia and a prospect for Marcell Ozuna swap could happen. Ozuna is a major upgrade offensively from Avi and he's also young and cheap.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) you are very right there, this was and has been my question. i was thinking of keeping him and throw in another pitcher. i just wasn't sold on his power. but he is one of the best young, really young hitters i have seen in a while. right there with dee gordon from the marlins. Agreed. I'd love Piscotty, I just doubt that the Cardinals would make him available unless Sale, Q, or Rodon were going to them. Heck, I'd trade Carson Fulmer for Piscotty straight up.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 08:02 PM) Dear gawd the Sox better make a trade soon because these proposals are getting worse every day. f***ing hell... Were my proposals bad? I tried to keep it somewhat realistic.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) Piscotty will hit.... no doubt about that. the problem i have is no power.... and no speed and can't play cf. Q is used to entice stl to keep and take melky and contract. I have to disagree there. While it was a small sample size, his MLB numbers in 2015 would translate to a .305 average with 18 homers and 100 RBI's over a full 162 game season. The Sox need a guy like him in one of the corner outfield spots. He's young, cheap, powerful, and full of potential.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) Based on some of the discussion the Cubs, it's seems like their more focused on trading Castro for a SP then anyone. Baez and Soler are candidates but Schwarber, Bryant and Russell won't be moved. Baez is intriguing. Based on what I saw of him in the playoffs he seems to have cut down on the K's and has a better approach at the plate. He has 30 plus HR power and could be the Sox starting SS for the next decade. I'd be cool with that but I think another prospect would have to come with him (Happ or McKinney) for Q. The problem with trading with the Cubs is that it would suck to see Q or whoever the Sox would trade go to the Cubs, only to take them to the next level. It would be a huge slap in the face for us Sox fans to see Q as a World Series Champion on the North Side while the Sox are stuck in mediocrity.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 07:36 PM) Well this is my erratic idea that i came out with last week or 2, with a few corrections. i know i may get flamed or maybe not. I am going with an idea it can be done. I am going to make this as realistic as possible. However b/c of the idea of the sox system is needing prospects and players who can play in the majors while the young prospects will develop. ^^^^ Trade ^^^ ~~ To Stl - Melky - Q - Robinson Leyer ~~ To Sox - of-S.Piscotty - of-Harrison Bader - cat-Mike Ohlman - 3b-Paul DeJong - sp-Sandy Alcantara ~~ To Pitt - now i have a feeling that Pitt wants to rebuild and get younger players while not sacrificing theirs. Furthermore, they have younger players ready to step in... 1 at 2b and the other in the outfield. Plus 3 mil for Laroche salary. - sp-Rodon - rp-Webb - 1b-LaRoche-salary swap - sp-Thad Lowry - sp-Myles Jaye ~~ To Sox - 1b-Pedro Alvarez - of-Starling Marte - of-Willy Garcia - ss/2b-Cole Tucker - sp-Chad Kuhl - sp-Yeudy Garcia ~~ To Cincy - 2b-Micah Johnson - of-S.Piscotty - 3b-Matt Davidson / change of scenery - sp-Erik Johnson - of-C Hawkins - C. Beck - N Sanburn ~~ To Sox - 3b-Todd Frazier - cat-Tucker Barnhart - sp-Cody Reed - 3b-Gavin LaValley Free Agents signing. - sp-David Price - sp-Mike Leake - 3 option yrly or buyout after 3yrs - sp-Alfredo Simón - 2 yrs option 1 optional pitcher - sp-Ryan Vogelsong 1 yr option 1 with a buyout. around the horn cat - Flowers bu Barnhart 1b - Jose Abreu 2b - Sanchez ss. - Saladino 3b - Frazier Dh - Alavarez of Eaton Marte Thompson sp Sale Price Leake Danks Simon Rp the same except Webb. money coming off the salary. anywhere from 33-36 mil being added, 19 mil in big salary now add the Free agents. crazy but i like it. This plan is crazy for the most part, but I wouldn't have any opposition to any of the deal except for a few things. • Rodon has to stay. He's a future ace making very little money. He has sky high potential. • If the Sox could get Piscotty, I'd want to keep him too. He's going to be a stud. • Quintana has more value than that trade you proposed. Other than that, everything looks ok to me. I just don't see the Sox spending that much money in free agency.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 06:05 PM) If the Dodgers just want to dump him, I'd gladly take him. Not straight up for Q though. If the Sox were to acquire Puig, who would you trade for him? If Hahn could find some way to land him without giving up Sale, Q, or Rodon, I'd be f***ing ecstatic.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 03:35 PM) I was going to do it today but F this wind. I still find it interesting that we both live in Gurnee. I live behind the Walgreens across from Fifth/Third Bank on Grand.

I wanted to post this in the offseason plan thread, but it got closed for some reason, so I'll post it here instead. Here is my plan for the offseason. • Trade Avisail Garcia for Billy Hamilton • Trade Jose Quintana and Adam LaRoche for Yasiel Puig, Scott Van Slyke, and Austin Barnes • Trade Chris Beck and Tyler Danish for Jurickson Profar • Sign David Freese to a 3 year/$30 million deal • Sign Doug Fister to a 1 year/$5 million deal Lineup: LF - Adam Eaton (L) DH - Melky Cabrera (S) 1B - Jose Abreu ® RF - Yasiel Puig ® 3B - David Freese ® SS - Jurickson Profar (S) 2B - Carlos Sanchez (S) C - Tyler Flowers ® CF - Billy Hamilton (S) Bench: 3B and SS - Tyler Saladino ® OF - J.B. Shuck (L) C - Austin Barnes ® 1B and OF - Scott Van Slyke ® 2B - Micah Johnson (L) Rotation: SP - Chris Sale (L) SP - Carlos Rodon (L) SP - Erik Johnson ® SP - John Danks (L) (He's a placeholder for Carson Fulmer) SP - Doug Fister ® Bullpen - RP - Dan Jennings (L) RP - Zach Duke (L) RP - Zach Putnam ® RP - Jake Petricka ® SU - Nate Jones ® CL - David Robertson ® Although this plan weakens the rotation by losing Quintana, it improves the team in several other areas, including defense and versatility. Lineup - While this lineup doesn't have a whole lot of pop, they do have one thing that White Sox teams haven't had in the recent past - speed and versatility. With several switch hitters and speedsters at the top and bottom of the lineup, this lineup should be able to put pressure on opposing pitching staffs by playing small ball. Don't get me wrong, this team would struggle to hit the ball out of the yard, but contact hitters have been scarce for the Sox over the past few years, and this team would change that. Defense - Taking Melky and Avi out of the outfield and replacing them with Puig and Hamilton improves the outfield defense ten-fold, as that was a huge problem last year. Freese isn't known for his defense, but he has got to be better than Gillaspie/Olt. Profar provides a lot of range up the middle, and I think that he could form a good DP combo with Sanchez. When Anderson comes up, perhaps Profar could shift over to 2nd base or maybe Anderson could become an outfielder. Youth movement - Profar, Hamilton, and Barnes represent young, cheap, and high potential position players that haven't hit their stride yet at the big league level yet, but have the potential to do so. Not trading any notable young players besides Avi, Beck, and Danish ensures that the Sox keep their young talent in tact for the most part. Hopefully guys like Montas, Anderson, Fulmer, etc can contribute in 2017 and beyond, but I'm not counting on any of them to contribute much in 2016 Rotation - Sale and Rodon form a formidable 1-2 duo in this rotation. Starters 3-5 are question marks, but Johnson showed potential last year, not to mention his youth. Fister is a bit of an unknown, but I like him on a 1 year deal. The worst case scenario is that he bombs, and even then, it's only a 1 year deal. If he succeeds, great. Hopefully the Sox will be a spot to contend for a playoff spot, but if not, they can flip him at the deadline as a rental. Danks is purely a placeholder for Fulmer, as he will surely be gone after 2016. Bullpen - This bullpen is almost exactly like the 2015 version. Robertson should provide decent value as a lockdown closer, and I expect Jones to have a nice injury-free season as the setup man. Petricka, Jennings, Putnam, and Duke can be all be very inconsistent at times, but when they're on, they're very good. The bullpen wasn't great last year, but it wasn't as bad as 2014 either. I fully expect Montas to be called up at some point and hopefully be groomed as the future closer. Let me know what you think of these ideas. Thanks.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) My idea from the start has been to acquire Billy Hamilton, put Trayce in RF and Eaton in LF then rolling with an Avi/Melky 4OF and DH platoon. LaRoche even gets a few DH AB's, since this plan packs 5 OF on the roster while only soaking 1 bench spot. This matters because trading LaRoche is impossible and eating his $11m is fantasy. Lots of OF versatility too. Rolling with the defensive oriented OF in away games at Kaufmann, Comerica, etc. while introducing a little more pop with Melky or Avi at the Cell. If the Sox get a lead throw in the defensive replacement. Hamilton and Trayce can both PR like nobodies business, which is a colossally underrated tool to have for those crucial 1 run games in this deadball era. The downside is the best power bat of the 5 is likely Eaton. The whole group may not hit more than 30 HR a year which puts massive pressure on Abreu and the IF (yikes!) to make up the power. But for a team in the Sox position sacrifices must be made, we aren't getting a group of 3 OF that play good defense, get on base a lot, can run and hit >50 HR as a group. Billy Hamilton would be a great addition if he knew how to hit above .230. The dude is probably the fastest guy in baseball, but he can't ever put his speed to good use because he rarely gets on base.

The Sox need to get Puig.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) Where would Avi play? Center? That would be an amusing train wreck to say the least. Hey, we shouldn't be opposed to that as Sox fans.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 11:39 AM) Cubs refused to give up Baez for Tyson Ross (at least that's what I took away from last year's trade deadline), they would laugh hard at this proposal. Is that true? If so, the Cubs are idiots.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) They have no need for Avi with their glut outfielders. That's probably true, but an outfield spot will open up for them once Fowler leaves. Avi would be a much cheaper (albeit less talented) alternative to Heyward/Upton/Cespedes/etc

I wonder if the Cubs would trade Baez for Avi and Danish/Beck/etc?

Everyone is so set on having Thompson replace Avi full time next year, but what if Thompson struggles too? Then what?

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 19, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) there are options here. trade him if the fo can get a rtn they can live with creating a space for TT to play, b/c he deserve the shot, he earned it. if not, platoon him or send him to the minors to continue to work on his game. for me, at least this they should have done to DV 2-3 yrs before they did it. I 100% agree with sending him to AAA for awhile to get his confidence back. It might be a blow to his ego, but he needs to get back to the fundamentals that made him a top prospect in the first place. His potential is still there, he just has to work on a couple facets of his game to realize it.