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You said you went to one or two games a year. That isn't season tickets. Get your story straight. If you want to make a point why wait? Are you with us or against us (the 2023 White Sox) ? Or is this just more idle posturing by another internet keyboard warrior like O'Neill.?

" It’s the sure and certain knowledge that not only does the team not care about us like we care about the team if you think differently, you are a dew-eyed romantic...We see the team as a way to transform our hopes, our emotional investment, our literal financial investment," Your perceived financial investment consists of a couple of Polish and a dozen beers or so a year. Transform your hopes? Please. life is so much more than watching a few baseball games each year. If you are indeed older, you would understand that. "Ah, but they know how we conceive the team. It’s where we’ve made friends, where we’ve gone with our families more times than we can count, where on occasion we stand as one with a rising yell in our throats as a ball traces an arc in the night sky, ready to high-five strangers and jump like lunatics. It’s fun. It’s what we care about. It’s part of who we are." Oh come on. "So I don’t know where this anger is going to go. It’s very possible that it starts another cycle of lower attendance, Jerry using that to slash payroll, and so on, on and on, our endless Kali yuga, hoping to stumble into something lucky, waiting for it to all end. " OK, you are angry so just say you will no longer attend because the WSox are "slashing payroll" like extending Luis Robert, Eloy Jiminez, signing FA Liam Hendriks , Grandal, and more recently Bennintendi for 75 Million dollars and assembling one of the best rotations and bullpens in the league. Like maintaining the financial strength of the franchise to make sure that they stay on the South side for the next generations of Sox fans. It's not all about you. Grow the F up and quit whining.

The entire Hawk HR call should be kept, not to honor Hawk, but to perpetuate something that became a White Sox tradition. Moreover, the first part of it, "He looks up..." would help Bennetti gauge which fly balls have a chance to be HR as opposed to just routine fly balls to the track. Stone has to retire though. It's time.

We have Leury as a back up and this guy is putting up similar numbers to Leury as ss2K posted ^..so no thanks. Try to aim higher than that.

Maybe some of the angry/ hateful fans should stay away from this team...forever. Go root for the Cubs.

An orderly transition.....A courtesy to the new Manager who may have requested this.

In 2019, Gleybar hit 38 HR. In 2022 he hit .257/.310/.451 with 24 homers, 76 RBI and 10 stolen bases in 140 games. He is only 26 years old and will come with 2 more years of control before he hits FA. His numbers are better than Vaughn's and a few other players we have, and the power numbers look enticing. There might be some better trade suggestions out there but this one looks like a fair deal for both teams. Like any player who hits FA, he might be too expensive to re-sign, but for two years, he holds down second base. Hahn can then try to figure out the Closer role with Katz and look for another catcher in case Grandal's back injuries prove insurmountable.

Sox are a corporation that owes its shareholders a duty to show a profit and remain solvent. They don't owe the fans anything. MLB ownership is a microcosm of American capitalism and monopolization.

I never heard cub fans question team loyalty after over 100 years of futility. Ask yourself if you are a fan of winning or a fan of the team. Ask yourself if you are a fan of baseball only if your team wins. 2023 Sox will be competitive. Line-up is good, pitching staff is decent, and I am sure Hahn is trying to make a trade to improve. Relax. It's Dec 26. Go return some shitty gifts .

And it’s too late, Tray B., now it’s to late….. Hahn is not Goin' Back. Time for Vaughn at 1st now. My point was that the Sox cannot afford to lose any more of our big bats - Eloy, Vaughn, Robert and TA. Top of our order looks great with TA, Benintendi and Robert. Eloy clean-up followed by Colas, Vaughn and Moncada , 2B and catcher. Hahn can deal for a 2B and a catcher out of our bullpen, starting wit Hendriks. Long shot possibility ... bring up Colson Montgomery sometime during the 2023 season to play third and shift Moncada back to 2B. I don't see Montgomery as a major league SS at his size, but I could be wrong.

TA, Eloy or Robert should be off the table unless an All Star level player plus a pitching prospect is coming back in return...and even that would seem foolish. Eloy has the potential to hit 40+ HR and hit for average. Robert is an absolute stud. TA is at the height of his career. Hendriks plus a prospect should be enough to land a player at a position of need...like catcher or second base. Screw the Met fans trade proposals. Hahn is not going to disassemble the core of this team.

Replace Stone with a younger guy like Ryan McGuffey.

"Yasmani said doctors recommended surgery after discs in his back bulged and went completely out but Grandal said no and kept playing." ------------------------ Grandal had no business playing with multiple bulging discs according to his and/or team physicians. Yaz chose to ignore their advice and chance it. No matter how that decision works out for him, he expects to collect on the balance of his contract.

I think both these guys will be back, but I don't really care. They don't really add or diminish much to the broadcasts and by now, their shtick has gotten old.

Several bulging discs would seem to mark the end of Grandal's career. Perhaps someone with medical education can offer their opinion.

Agreed. I am not sure what Grandal's motives may have been in making that disclosure to Garfein. Now Grandal essentially has zero or negative trade value. Given that, why don't the Sox DFA him now and open the roster spot.? I'm asking.

While I like Benintendi, I may have preferred signing Bellinger to a one year deal like the Cubs did. He has been injured but he has a much greater upside, is an elite defender with more raw LH power than the diminutive Benny. My other thought was that a one year contract with Bellinger may have given the Sox a bit more flexibility to make a long term commitment to another player. That is probably my only gripe about signing Benintendi long term.

We don't really know any of these pro athletes on a personal level and we don't need to. Feel free to project failure but I'd say you are way off base with your snippy comments about Eloy and predictions on IP by Kopech and Clevinger. I think Eloy will continue to hit like he did after he came back from surgery and I suspect that Kopech comes back a lot stronger after having his leg repaired. There is no reason to mess with those guys.

fixed that Vaughn will probably lead the league in errors at 1B though.

No, just no.

No question. Benny is a pretty good no. 2 hitter on this team. TA + Benny+ Robert is a great top of the order....Benny and the Jets. Eloy could have a lot of RBI as clean-up hitter behind them.

Sign a second basemen next and shut the whiners here up.

I sense a lot of frustration and even some anger. Maybe try to be grateful for what we have in Chicago...and what you have in life. And try to place things in perspective if you can.

So, are the Cubs a "successful franchise" ? Yes of No? Great trade of Cease and Eloy to the Sox...Great trade to get Madrigal. Any Cub fans pining for Rickettes to sell? As much as Cub fans whine, it seems like nothing compared to this. But maybe it is a generational thing. My guess is that most posters here weren't even born when JR bought the W Sox and cannot fully understand the state of the franchise before he acquired it. Old Comiskey was a dilapidated, filthy , dump. Extremely limited parking around the stadium and given its condition and the probable move of the Sox out of town, no incentive for real estate investment in the surrounding area. Saving the Sox for Chicago was critical to the neighborhood and it meant everything for Sox fans. Unfortunately, JR and the late Einhorn made some serious mistakes by firing Harry Carey, moving off channel 9, and selecting an incompetent relative to select the location, the architectural firm and the design for the new stadium. It was and arguably is one of the worst in baseball. JR made some efforts to correct things by cutting rows off the upper deck, changing every seat from the original blue color, adding parking , etc, , and it is now just OK. JR has stayed within a budget not because he is cheap but because it is a business. He feels that spending on player contracts like the LA Angels does not guarantee "multiple championships" That is a promise that Hahn made and one that he has to live with.

"The measure of a successful franchise is winning" Cubs 1900 - 2022 ?