southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 11:34 AM) Miami has nothing to trade. They'll just sign Ziegler IMO They have a decent amount of pitching, and not much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 12:59 PM) A contender could be very interested in Nate Jones though. He is not a proven closer, but he has the stuff to close out games Often it is the mentality as much as the stuff. But Jones would be a potential insurance package for a team with a questionable closer and he is already an excellent 7/8 inning guy. Also comes pretty reasonable for a set-up guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGone7 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I'd let him rebuild value after seeing what teams got at the deadline last season/paid this offseason. Robertson isn't remotely on Miller, Chapman or Jansen's level but he should be able to net at least (1) top 50 caliber prospect. I don't foresee a situation (unless he has 30 shutout innings at the deadline) where he gets much better than that. Never know though. If you're getting significantly less value right now, then I'd hold him. Same can be said for Jones. He needs to repeat last season or improve before he is even on that level. I'd hang onto him unless someone is already offering that perceived internal value they have. Everyone else can go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) I'd let him rebuild value after seeing what teams got at the deadline last season/paid this offseason. Robertson isn't remotely on Miller, Chapman or Jansen's level but he should be able to net at least (1) top 50 caliber prospect. I don't foresee a situation (unless he has 30 shutout innings at the deadline) where he gets much better than that. Never know though. If you're getting significantly less value right now, then I'd hold him. Same can be said for Jones. He needs to repeat last season or improve before he is even on that level. I'd hang onto him unless someone is already offering that perceived internal value they have. Everyone else can go. I sure hope, but why would a team give up a top 50 guy for Robertson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) I sure hope, but why would a team give up a top 50 guy for Robertson? Basically a supply and demand thing. For a contending team with no closer option, desperate times calls for desperate measures. Robertson might not be the best closer out there but right now he might be the best "available" closing option out there. Contending teams might be stacked all over the field and have the luxury of dealing a top 50 prospect for a piece that would help them win now. 37/44 or whatever his conversion rate is brings more value to a team in the next 2 years than a top 50 guy who would not crack the roster during a "win now" window. Plus the fact that he has some post season experience--looks GREAT next to anyone else out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If Robertson can show that he's still his old self, he could easily net a top-50 prospect at the deadline with 1.5 years of control at a reasonable enough contract. He wasn't even that bad last year, he just needs to get the walks down. On the flip side, if we can find a taker for Robertson now, we can try to build Jones' value as a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSox Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Closer market is hot right now. Get it done and get some position players. Miami makes a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (SoxBrah @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Closer market is hot right now. Get it done and get some position players. Miami makes a lot of sense. We could deal Robertson now and let Jones close If Jones does well he will be a hot name come the deadline It all depends on the return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) If Robertson can show that he's still his old self, he could easily net a top-50 prospect at the deadline with 1.5 years of control at a reasonable enough contract. He wasn't even that bad last year, he just needs to get the walks down. On the flip side, if we can find a taker for Robertson now, we can try to build Jones' value as a closer. Are there likely to be any other big name closers on the market at the deadline this year? Assuming normal things like "Cleveland doesn't fall apart". Herrera, K-Rod come to mind just from our division as possible if their teams break down a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) Are there likely to be any other big name closers on the market at the deadline this year? Assuming normal things like "Cleveland doesn't fall apart". Herrera, K-Rod come to mind just from our division as possible if their teams break down a bit. Good rundown in the Trade section: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/find...ext-closer.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Seriously, imagine Jones' value if he puts up similar numbers as a closer with his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) Good rundown in the Trade section: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/find...ext-closer.html Ok, so basically there's a number of guys like Herrera and KRod who could be available if their teams get off to a poor start. That could leave the market having Robertson + a couple other available guys, since some team is going to struggle. Not a loaded market but possibly no longer a seller's market either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If the Nats are feeling buyers remorse, I would offer them Lopez & Robertson for Robles. That way they'd have two bullpen arms as Lopez was talked about a conversion candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Robertson not listed in the SoxFest lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:21 PM) Robertson not listed in the SoxFest lineup Odds are he is going to be an ex White Sox by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) Odds are he is going to be an ex White Sox by then. But Quintana is listed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) But Quintana is listed Yeah. Robertson wasn't there last year either. I don't think it is a sign he is already traded. But it is pretty apparent he is going to go probably pretty soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) If the Nats are feeling buyers remorse, I would offer them Lopez & Robertson for Robles. That way they'd have two bullpen arms as Lopez was talked about a conversion candidate. Robles isn't even worth Lopez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:31 PM) Robles isn't even worth Lopez Anywhere i've read, Robles > Lopez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) Yeah. Robertson wasn't there last year either. I don't think it is a sign he is already traded. But it is pretty apparent he is going to go probably pretty soon. Oh I wasn't saying it as "he's traded" but more as an indicator it will be done soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGone7 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) I sure hope, but why would a team give up a top 50 guy for Robertson? My bad. I should've been more clear. If he reverts to old form during the early season, that David Robertson of old, should be able to net a top 50 guy. I don't think he'll net a top 30 guy like Chapman and Miller received, not do I think he warrants as large of a package. But if he throws well he could net us (1) good prospect. I don't think that is a stretch given the climate for closers. To me his value is low because of the performance and contract. His contract is now not the same burden it was, based off what these guys are getting paid. So it's purely a performance issue. If he comes out and throws well, I don't think it's unreasonable to get (1) player in that range. Especially from a deeper system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2chae Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Given what the market is right now for reliable closers, I think Robertson could get a top 50 prospect return, especially if the Sox eat some of that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (y2chae @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) Given what the market is right now for reliable closers, I think Robertson could get a top 50 prospect return, especially if the Sox eat some of that contract. Robertson is a more valuable trade chip than he was a week ago. He is a decent closer on a "reasonable" contract, especially if the Sox eat a little bit of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The teams that would be interested in Robertson (e.g., Washington) aren't going to really care about the $$$ on his deal to give up a bigger return if the Sox eat some of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 13, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) The teams that would be interested in Robertson (e.g., Washington) aren't going to really care about the $$$ on his deal to give up a bigger return if the Sox eat some of it. The free agency cost of closers has skyrocketed, Robertson's deal does not seem as huge anymore 2 years/ $24 million is not awful for a decent closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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