Quin Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) I would take Braxton Garrett. I'd jump for joy if we did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 08:24 AM) Braxton or Kolek + Competitive balance pick. I'd take either. Yep. I would think any sane person would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 If we can't get anything worthwhile for Roberston.. we should wait and see if he can be successful and catch a larger bounty. I really don't agree with the lets take whatever we can get for him now idea - i think you have more to lose doing it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 QUOTE (harkness @ Dec 14, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) If we can't get anything worthwhile for Roberston.. we should wait and see if he can be successful and catch a larger bounty. I really don't agree with the lets take whatever we can get for him now idea - i think you have more to lose doing it that way. The Rockies badly could use bullpen help, I would think they would be very interested in Robertson and/or Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 This thread title is so misleading. Every time I see it I think there's an actual substantive report of a deal being done, not just "Sox shopping Robertson." There are probably a half-dozen better ways to title this thread that won't mislead readers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 11:04 AM) This thread title is so misleading. Every time I see it I think there's an actual substantive report of a deal being done, not just "Sox shopping Robertson." There are probably a half-dozen better ways to title this thread that won't mislead readers. lol it happens to me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Agreed, updated now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Marlins also have an interesting C prospect they got this past trade dead line too named Tomas Telis. 25 year old switch hitter that is a proven productive hitter in the upper minors and scouting reports seem to call his D decent to above average. I'd do a Jarlin Garcia and Telis deal for Robertson. Another thing to think about with trading/not trading Robertson.. If we do trade him Jones steps right into the closer role and if he succeeds for the 1st 1/2 of the season in that role he would have a TON of value at the deadline. Just something to think about...a lot of pros and cons to consider for Hahn and crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 15, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Agreed, updated now. Robertson is currently the most valuable closer available on the market and should be healthy and ready to go for spring training Robertson logged a 1.64 ERA with 26 strikeouts against 11 walks in his final 22 innings on the season, a very strong finish to the season. The 2 years/ $25 million or so owed to him is not terrible considering the market for closers They really have two options 1) A team offers you a great package in the offseason that you accept. Sox dump the entire contract. 2) Robertson remains as Sox closer until the deadline. A good season would make him an extremely attractive deadline trade chip to a contender. Backend bullpen help always comes at a big premium and his value could potentially be slight less, but similar to a Chapman or Miller 3) He performs badly and we are stuck with him. I don't him him crapping the bed this badly though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Similarly as Nightengale tweeted: "The Cubs trade talks for #Tigers Justin Wilson have stalled, the clubs say, unable to find match, and both sides appear to have moved on" As fans we have an insatiable desire for this kind of information, so we should not complain when we hear about deals that have no hope or when trade talks have come to an impasse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Every time I see someone has posted in this thread, I hope there is a new tweet or rumor with substance and I die a little every time there isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 No, nothing, and unless someone bowls the Sox over with an offer I doubt Robertson gets traded. Bullpen arms have insane value at the trade deadline and I think Robertson has a good chance of having a good year. He's a good pitcher for sure. If he can get that nasty cutter back, he could be worth a LOT at the deadline. You may not get the Frazier package or the Torres package like Miller and Chapman extracted, but you could easily get at least the headliner of those packages. If I'm the Sox and I don't see a good headliner in a trade like a Frazier or Torres, I gamble on Robertson and try to deal him at the deadline. Worst case scenario: He sucks and you can't trade him. But at least you'd have one more year of control to see if he can put it back together for trade deadline 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 12:56 AM) No, nothing, and unless someone bowls the Sox over with an offer I doubt Robertson gets traded. Bullpen arms have insane value at the trade deadline and I think Robertson has a good chance of having a good year. He's a good pitcher for sure. If he can get that nasty cutter back, he could be worth a LOT at the deadline. You may not get the Frazier package or the Torres package like Miller and Chapman extracted, but you could easily get at least the headliner of those packages. If I'm the Sox and I don't see a good headliner in a trade like a Frazier or Torres, I gamble on Robertson and try to deal him at the deadline. Worst case scenario: He sucks and you can't trade him. But at least you'd have one more year of control to see if he can put it back together for trade deadline 2018. I completely agree with you The White Sox aren't going to rush the rebuilding process and will be patient for great trade returns. Bullpen pieces always come at a deadline premium for contending teams, and Robertson could be a top option for a team in need of help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Ziegler is now off the market. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/marl...p;post-id=80760 Hopefully this helps Robertson's market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) Ziegler is now off the market. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/marl...p;post-id=80760 Hopefully this helps Robertson's market. Agreed my friend. I think it will. The Nationals wanted Ziegler, hopefully they go hard after Robertson now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Robertson for Stevenson and a lottery ticket works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Agreed my friend. I think it will. The Nationals wanted Ziegler, hopefully they go hard after Robertson now. Exactly. After Rizzo got skewered by the media for the Eaton haul, I kinda snicker at the thought of Rizzo trading for Robertson. Get ready for some deep fried Rizzo. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) Robertson for Stevenson and a lottery ticket works for me. I like this idea. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Could see Nats go for Holland first though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 11:42 PM) Could see Nats go for Holland first though. I would actually love to see us sign Holland. It further opens up the market for Robertson, plus adds an arm that could prove valuable come the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Dec 16, 2016 -> 10:46 PM) I would actually love to see us sign Holland. It further opens up the market for Robertson, plus adds an arm that could prove valuable come the trade deadline. We should. Just offer a million or two more than highest offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Why not? Cause one Holland is never enough. I like the Holland idea too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I bet Holland signs for more than we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 08:20 AM) I bet Holland signs for more than we think. Probably. I bet he takes a 1 year deal with a lot of incentives though with a decent base salary. I wouldn't mind giving it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 17, 2016 -> 08:41 AM) Probably. I bet he takes a 1 year deal with a lot of incentives though with a decent base salary. I wouldn't mind giving it to him. Rockies and nationals need a closer badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Add the Mets to the list of potential suiters. . The Mets checked in with the Rays on closer Alex Colome, though talks didn’t go far because Tampa Bay asked for either outfielder Michael Conforto or elite shortstop prospect Amed Rosario as a starting point, per Peter Gammons (via Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times). While the effective and cheap Colome would have helped shore up a Mets bullpen that will likely be without soon-to-be suspended closer Jeurys Familia for at least 30 games next season, it’s no surprise that they balked at the Rays’ asking price. Although Conforto took steps backward in 2016 after a great rookie campaign, the Mets regard the 23-year-old as nearly untouchable. The club feels similarly about Rosario, whom MLB.com ranks as the sport’s 11th-best prospect Not saying the Mets have interest but they are looking for help. Maybe the Sox can throw a few bucks in to sweeten the return? Given the Mets financials, they would probably have more interest in Jones but then again, Jones would cost more prospects. Anyone think the Mets could have interest in Robertson or Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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