Al Lopez's Ghost Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) In one time around the league, he will learn and understand the tendencies of the entire pitching staff and get comfortable in all the different ballparks? most hitters will tell it takes the first year before getting comfortable with the change. This usually shows for most hitters. I think that was truer in the past, but with interleague play there's less mystery in changing leagues. He's talking about a fundamental change in his approach which may not even be warranted. Didn't he have the worst BABIP last year, suggesting he was horribly unlucky? However he does it I hope he has a great year, because he seems to be a great guy. And of course a candidate to be flipped mid season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 06:32 PM) In 1970 the Sox went 56-106, most losses ever in a season and they drew 495,000 fans for it. Had three managers that season. Mark I attended some of those games, a couple of them with less than 5K in attendance at that huge old Comiskey Park. They were pitiful. Chuck Tanner etal would soon be on their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Fangraphs has us as tied with the Padres as the 2nd worst team - Brewers have the worst record according to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) In 1970 the Sox went 56-106, most losses ever in a season and they drew 495,000 fans for it. Had three managers that season. Mark That was the most losses, but not the lowest winning percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) That was the most losses, but not the lowest winning percentage. Depends on what you consider "the worst season" I guess. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 12:16 PM) I think that was truer in the past, but with interleague play there's less mystery in changing leagues. He's talking about a fundamental change in his approach which may not even be warranted. Didn't he have the worst BABIP last year, suggesting he was horribly unlucky? However he does it I hope he has a great year, because he seems to be a great guy. And of course a candidate to be flipped mid season. Very true. but I still think there are just too many different pitchers and team with different approaches that it take the majority of the first year to adjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 according to OOTP 18 we will be 62-100 with PITIFUL performances from Rodon and Quintana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Feb 9, 2017 -> 12:01 AM) according to OOTP 18 we will be 62-100 with PITIFUL performances from Rodon and Quintana ootp hates rodon for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 7, 2017 -> 08:27 PM) That wasn't my assertion. I said it will be better in some respects. I think Moncada will be up before the AllStar break and possibly before that. I also think that a catching tandem of Soto and Narvaez will not be much worse than what we had last season. I didn't mention Center Field but Austin Jackson was injured early so we might be better off with Charlie Tilson and Bourjous or whoever else makes the roster as a 4th outfielder. The other thing to look at it the competition in the Central. Cleveland is still heavily favored but KC might not be as good (with the notable loss a lock-down Closer) and Minnesota is not looking very strong. Detroit looks like they don't know which way they are going and may start trading off some of their star players. It's all just too early to predict right now, only to guess. So Shields fails. I doubt the Sox keep throwing him out there. They will make a move for another starter or bring someone up for his spot. Renteria is a better Manager than Ventura and that will make a huge difference. Many of these guys were asleep last season. This is why we are done trading. Add another arm, get Moncada to go north from ST and we can compete for a wildcard. Hurry and get a bet down because Vegas odds will soon reflect our optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 9, 2017 -> 08:13 AM) This is why we are done trading. Add another arm, get Moncada to go north from ST and we can compete for a wildcard. Hurry and get a bet down because Vegas odds will soon reflect our optimism. They're not competing for a wild card in 2017. C'mon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 BP updated their projections, now have the Sox at 76-86, Sox end up with #9 draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I expect Frazier and Abreu to have a bit of a bounceback to get closer to their career averages, Cabrera will be solid as well. Garcia will at least duplicate if not surpass his production from last year. Second base should be at least as good if not better. RF and C will be worse. The rotation will be worse, but not as significant of a drop off as Rodon should improve and Shields has to be at least a little better. This team could realistically duplicate last years win total if the players play to their career averages. The problem last year is that so many played below that level for the last half of the season that it is tough to predict them to rebound. Without moving Abreu, Q, and Frazier, I don't see this team being bad enough to contend for a top draft pick. Even if they are moved, there are so many bad teams that it the Sox could finish with the same record with a much worse team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Feb 8, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) In 1970 the Sox went 56-106, most losses ever in a season and they drew 495,000 fans for it. Had three managers that season. Mark This is why I think they will never COMPLETELY tear down again. Jerry would never sign off on a full season of no one paying for tickets to see the team play. Getting the #1 pick in the draft next year is not as important to them as it is to still have fan turnout. If they have to punt on Seth Beer so be it, but they will stagger the process to make sure there's always a few reasons to buy a ticket. Do we really think the franchise can withstand a 60 win season and what that would mean financially? They have a hard enough time drawing people to see a 75 win team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) This is why I think they will never COMPLETELY tear down again. Jerry would never sign off on a full season of no one paying for tickets to see the team play. Getting the #1 pick in the draft next year is not as important to them as it is to still have fan turnout. If they have to punt on Seth Beer so be it, but they will stagger the process to make sure there's always a few reasons to buy a ticket. Do we really think the franchise can withstand a 60 win season and what that would mean financially? They have a hard enough time drawing people to see a 75 win team. Yes I think they can withstand that. All MLB teams make a ton from TV revenues. They will still profit. There's a reason why the Marlins are selling for 1.6 billion dollars now. That said, that doesn't mean they won't want to make more money right now. I just hope they aren't shortsighted about this. If you get a Seth Beer or some other potential superstar here, the number of tickets he will help sell will eventually dwarf what you lose in 2017 and 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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