I am such a petty Sox fan.

 

It has brought me a lot of joy to see the Pirates terrible start out of spite. Just because of a couple Pirate fans on social media that have gushed over their team being sooooo awesome and them giving up any of their top prospects for Q would be ridiculous because of their great potential is just too valuable for a guy like Q.

 

I know its early but like I said, I am petty.

 

A sort of terrible start is the best thing for the Sox. Good enough that they still think Q would help, but bad enough where they think they need him.

That surprises me because I thought the pirates fans were the best of all of the Q/winter run-ins. Many wanted to put all the chips in.

 

Thats what makes it pretty sick of me to have this mindset. There are a ton of good Pirate fans but I have identified a couple that have rubbed me the wrong way that I dont care about the others, I just want those two guys to have to eat their words. LOL

Rockies pitcher Jon Gray out 6 weeks or more with broken foot/toe. They need a starter.

Rockies pitcher Jon Gray out 6 weeks or more with broken foot/toe. They need a starter.

 

Gonzalez or Holland are much more likely than Q to be traded so early...they still have Pelfrey to throw to the wolves as well before they bring up Lopez.

Edited April 15, 20179 yr by caulfield12

Rockies can bring up Jeff Hoffman and see how he does first

No one is trading for Quintana right now. There is value in speculating, but the Rockies could just as easily fall out of contention and be irrelevant. No one is going to overreact to an injury 10 games into the season.

 

I can see talks heating up in May - that's when the Sox initial trade for Jake Peavy occurred, but he turned it down. I wouldn't even rule out a trade prior to June 1st. But that's when things get serious.

I would rather see them be competitive/potential buyers than suck and not be in the mix in the summer.

 

Off topic, but I'm starting to think we need a "closer watch" type of thread for the teams having bullpen issues in regards to potential Robertson deals.

 

I agree. The pirates were kinda stuck in between anyway. If they suck they might not only get lost as buyers but they could even decide to sell and compete with the Sox at the deadline. I can understand if you want to shove it down their fans throat but from a strategic standpoint the pirates are one ofor the worst teams to be bad this year. They have a smart front office that won't be hesitant to sell in fact they already tried to sell mccutchen albeit they were not into a full rebuild yet but that could change quickly.

Rockies can bring up Jeff Hoffman and see how he does first

Hoffman could solve one spot, but not all of them. I would love to nab Rodgers and Tapia as headliners. They are two building-block offensive talents.

If he's throwing like this still mid-May, I'll push the panic button.

2-6 with an ERA around 6 in his last 9 starts dating back to Sept 1st last season.

 

At least part of the reason for the lowball offers.

 

 

 

 

18 runs given up against the Twins in his last three starts against the Twins dating back to September 1st.

 

That's 75% of his poor numbers right there.

 

In his other 6 starts, he's given up a much more reasonable 16 runs. KC and Detroit got him for another 10. Weird.

 

Essentially, the AL Central is squashing his trade value. And it's not even the Indians.

 

Edited April 15, 20179 yr by caulfield12

People were too quick to dismiss the injury and performance risk with Quintana. Even the most consistent pitchers have a ton of risk associated with them. His peripherals are awful too, so you can't even say he's been unlucky. The only positive is at least his velocity isn't down.

People were too quick to dismiss the injury and performance risk with Quintana. Even the most consistent pitchers have a ton of risk associated with them. His peripherals are awful too, so you can't even say he's been unlucky. The only positive is at least his velocity isn't down.

 

Quintana has thrown 17 innings this year. In 2 of those innings, he's allowed 10 runs. In the other 15, he's allowed 4.

 

I am not concerned.

Quintana has thrown 17 innings this year. In 2 of those innings, he's allowed 10 runs. In the other 15, he's allowed 4.

 

I am not concerned.

So, if you remove the innings where he's pitched poorly his numbers look a lot better. I'm not panicking about Quintana, but I think people were underestimating the risk of keeping him into the season.

Although it's likely just wishful thinking, my hope is that Avi and Davidson continue to perform well enough to accelerate the rebuild. If that happens, with Quintana remaining part of the rotation until 2021, the Sox could be competitive sooner than we think. I think Avi and Davidson are huge keys in that equation. Of course they aren't going to continue on their current torrid paces, but if they become key contributors going forward, with Moncada coming, the Sox wouldn't have that many holes to fill. Without a couple of established, solid starters, that accelerated rebuild would be very difficult. I love Kopech and Lopez, and am hopeful for Giolito, but counting on all of them is unrealistic.

Although it's likely just wishful thinking, my hope is that Avi and Davidson continue to perform well enough to accelerate the rebuild. If that happens, with Quintana remaining part of the rotation until 2021, the Sox could be competitive sooner than we think. I think Avi and Davidson are huge keys in that equation. Of course they aren't going to continue on their current torrid paces, but if they become key contributors going forward, with Moncada coming, the Sox wouldn't have that many holes to fill. Without a couple of established, solid starters, that accelerated rebuild would be very difficult. I love Kopech and Lopez, and am hopeful for Giolito, but counting on all of them is unrealistic.

 

A lot depends on Rodon, too.

 

And then Abreu becomes a huge question mark, but you still have Hayes, Delmonico and Davidson over there...which leaves that gaping hole in CF still.

 

3B. Saladino/Davidson/Delmonico

SS. Anderson

2B. Moncada

1B. Abreu/Hayes/Davidson/Delmonico

C. Collins

LF. Delmonico???

CF. Luis Robert

RF. Avi Garcia

 

Right now, we're still at least two bats shy in the OF. Wouldn't count on Willy Garcia or Liriano. Engel, May or Tilson, for that matter.

It should be obvious that it is not necessary to fill every "hole" with a good offensive producer. If the Sox can establish a productive lineup with their first 6 or 7 hitters, a good defensive centerfielder would be fine.

Edited April 16, 20179 yr by Lillian

A lot depends on Rodon, too.

 

And then Abreu becomes a huge question mark, but you still have Hayes, Delmonico and Davidson over there...which leaves that gaping hole in CF still.

 

3B. Saladino/Davidson/Delmonico

SS. Anderson

2B. Moncada

1B. Abreu/Hayes/Davidson/Delmonico

C. Collins

LF. Delmonico???

CF. Luis Robert

RF. Avi Garcia

 

Right now, we're still at least two bats shy in the OF. Wouldn't count on Willy Garcia or Liriano. Engel, May or Tilson, for that matter.

 

Only 24 but so far at AAA he is a .250ish hitter. I think Delmonico will be a b/up infielder.

 

Quintana has thrown 17 innings this year. In 2 of those innings, he's allowed 10 runs. In the other 15, he's allowed 4.

 

I am not concerned.

Thank You!

 

Although it's likely just wishful thinking, my hope is that Avi and Davidson continue to perform well enough to accelerate the rebuild. If that happens, with Quintana remaining part of the rotation until 2021, the Sox could be competitive sooner than we think. I think Avi and Davidson are huge keys in that equation. Of course they aren't going to continue on their current torrid paces, but if they become key contributors going forward, with Moncada coming, the Sox wouldn't have that many holes to fill. Without a couple of established, solid starters, that accelerated rebuild would be very difficult. I love Kopech and Lopez, and am hopeful for Giolito, but counting on all of them is unrealistic.

Davidson is striking out in nearly 50% of his at-bats. I don't get the hype around here for him whatsoever. And Avi has had plenty of stretches like this is in the past. I need to see a half season of success before I even consider him being a possible long-term solution and even then where do you play given his terrible defense?

People were too quick to dismiss the injury and performance risk with Quintana. Even the most consistent pitchers have a ton of risk associated with them. His peripherals are awful too, so you can't even say he's been unlucky. The only positive is at least his velocity isn't down.

 

On the bright side, we way underestimated the Avi turning into an MVP risk.

Davidson is striking out in nearly 50% of his at-bats. I don't get the hype around here for him whatsoever. And Avi has had plenty of stretches like this is in the past. I need to see a half season of success before I even consider him being a possible long-term solution and even then where do you play given his terrible defense?

 

I agree, and please note that I did say "it may be wishful thinking". I also said that it was my "hope," not my expectation. Both of these guys have tremendous potential, especially Avi, and their realizing it would be a huge plus. Adding two productive bats to the lineup would make this team competitive, very quickly. At that point, it would be the pitching that would represent the biggest source of concern. How confident would you be with a rotation of Rodon, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez and either Fulmer, Hansen, or Dunning? They are all unproven. That is why I am hoping that the early success of Matt and Avi is not a total fluke, and why I would love to be able to hang on to Quintana.

Edited April 16, 20179 yr by Lillian

Although it's likely just wishful thinking, my hope is that Avi and Davidson continue to perform well enough to accelerate the rebuild. If that happens, with Quintana remaining part of the rotation until 2021, the Sox could be competitive sooner than we think. I think Avi and Davidson are huge keys in that equation. Of course they aren't going to continue on their current torrid paces, but if they become key contributors going forward, with Moncada coming, the Sox wouldn't have that many holes to fill. Without a couple of established, solid starters, that accelerated rebuild would be very difficult. I love Kopech and Lopez, and am hopeful for Giolito, but counting on all of them is unrealistic.

 

 

Keeping Q makes zero sense. He'll be in his early thirties in need of another large contract by the time the Sox are good again. They also need the pieces acquired for him to add to the mix.

Should have traded when you could. Now we are stuck with him. He really has only had 2 bad innings. He pitched well last Sunday but the Sox scored 1 run. He was awful in the first yesterday but pitched decently after that and wasn't going to win anyway since the Sox could only muster 1 hit.

 

Despite some big performances the Sox offense has been mostly brutal. They have a game they scored 11, one they scored 10, and have averaged 2 runs a game in the others. It looking around the league there are a ton of players with crazy awful offensive numbers.

 

I think Q had a different routine this spring and peaked for the WBC, and it will take him a bit to get back to normal.

Edited April 16, 20179 yr by Dick Allen

Should have traded when you could. Now we are stuck with him. He really has only had 2 bad innings. He pitched well last Sunday but the Sox scored 1 run. He was awful in the first yesterday but pitched decently after that and wasn't going to win anyway since the Sox could only muster 1 hit.

 

Despite some big performances the Sox offense has been mostly brutal. They have a game they scored 11, one they scored 10, and have averaged 2 runs a game in the others. It looking around the league there are a ton of players with crazy awful offensive numbers.

 

I think Q had a different routine this spring and peaked for the WBC, and it will take him a bit to get back to normal.

 

He was awful in the first yesterday. But over 5 innings he gave up 5 double and a triple and he walked 5. So there is some concern since it was the lowly Twins that were pounding him. But I agree that maybe he got high for the WBC and coming back to the White Sox and all the negativity with this season may be affecting him. Hopefully by June he will be mowing them down again

 

If he's throwing like this still mid-May, I'll push the panic button.

Bump