May 12, 20178 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2017 -> 07:55 AM) A single + SB is not equal to a double, you can't score a runner from first on a single and a SB. Fair point. So, why not factor that in? Come up with a quotient to temper it. What percentage of doubles in the last three years have not scored a runner from first? Take that and multiply it by the amount added to SLG by SBs. Add that to the normal SLG, add OBP and voila. So, let's say 80% of doubles in the last three years have not scored a runner from first (scoring a runner from second or third doesn't matter because singles could do that). Looking at Hamilton again: (((50+17 (TB + SB diff))/139 (ABs)) - .360 (SLG))*.8=.098 .671 (OPS)+.098 = .769 SBOPS (thanks soxfan2014!) Maybe I'm being ridiculous. But I still think this is every bit as fair and worthwhile as WAR or other things we talk about nowadays.
May 12, 20178 yr Wouldn't it be better just to add something like wSB to wRAA? Does that give too much credence to wSB in that situation?
May 12, 20178 yr Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 3m3 minutes ago Familia will be out several months, and it's unknown whether he'll return this year, #Mets GM Sandy Alderson announces.
May 12, 20178 yr QUOTE (bmags @ May 12, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Wouldn't it be better just to add something like wSB to wRAA? Does that give too much credence to wSB in that situation? Could you expand on that? I don't know either of those measures.
May 12, 20178 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) A single + SB is not equal to a double, you can't score a runner from first on a single and a SB. And in the same vein, you can score someone from 2nd with a single and then promptly getting caught stealing. I had this same thought several years back and came to the same conclusions. Frankly, it's best to try and figure out what players do invidually throughout their time on the field (batting, baserunning, fielding, and pitching) and then use a cumulative number to try and gauge that player's value, which is how we come up with WAR. How to actually quantify those comes under scrutiny, because there are things it does not account for that perhaps it could, but they are always looking to improve their methodology in that regard.
May 12, 20178 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 12, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) And in the same vein, you can score someone from 2nd with a single and then promptly getting caught stealing. I had this same thought several years back and came to the same conclusions. Frankly, it's best to try and figure out what players do invidually throughout their time on the field (batting, baserunning, fielding, and pitching) and then use a cumulative number to try and gauge that player's value, which is how we come up with WAR. How to actually quantify those comes under scrutiny, because there are things it does not account for that perhaps it could, but they are always looking to improve their methodology in that regard. The funny thing is Fangraphs once had a hitting + SB stat in wOBA however they removed SB and CS years ago for, I believe, the very reason you mentioned.
May 12, 20178 yr QUOTE (StrykerSox @ May 12, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Could you expand on that? I don't know either of those measures. http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/wsb/ It's combined with UBR and wGDP to create BsR which makes up the baserunning portion of fWAR.
May 12, 20178 yr But speed tends to be over-reflected in defensive WAR and less so offensively (and yes, there are great defenders who are not objectively "fast" in the OF). Is that not a fair statement?
May 12, 20178 yr @c_blessing #Nationals prospect Carter Kieboom helped off field. Feet got tangled at 1B bag. Reached for hammy. Could be out a while.
May 13, 20178 yr Gallo is killing it. Adam Dunn Jr. 118 AB 54 SO 16 BB 12 HR 27 RBI Edited May 13, 20178 yr by hi8is
May 13, 20178 yr Cody Bellinger.. wanted that kid (along with Verdugo +) in the Q rumors. He's is off to a great start so far.
May 13, 20178 yr QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 13, 2017 -> 05:19 AM) Cody Bellinger.. wanted that kid (along with Verdugo +) in the Q rumors. He's is off to a great start so far. Was just thinking that nobody, not on MLB network, is talking about CB.
May 13, 20178 yr QUOTE (Brian @ May 13, 2017 -> 04:27 AM) Was just thinking that nobody, not on MLB network, is talking about CB. Dudes swing is a trip. Upright as a board!
May 14, 20178 yr Rangers have won 6 in a row and are just one game under .500 now. There's been a lot of Darvish trade talk lately so hopefully they keep playing well.
May 15, 20178 yr Every team in the AL is within 3.5 games of the 2nd wildcard. Seven NL teams are 4 or more games out of the 2nd wildcard. Edited May 15, 20178 yr by flavum
May 18, 20178 yr QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 18, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) Freeman out at least 8 weeks. And my last chances of a decent fantasy season goes down for 2-3 months......the dude was off to a great start this season
May 20, 20178 yr Sale tied his record of 8 straight starts with at least 10 strikeouts he got a ND. He is averaging 109 pitches a start.
May 23, 20178 yr So Tyler Flowers is now hitting .360 with strong BB and K% in over 100 PA for the Braves.
May 23, 20178 yr TR SullivanVerified account @Sullivan_Ranger 1h1 hour ago Daniels said Adrian Beltre could head to extended Spring Training this weekend to start getting at-bats....
May 23, 20178 yr Adam BerryVerified account @adamdberry 48m48 minutes ago Jameson Taillon threw a 25-pitch bullpen session today, head athletic trainer Todd Tomczyk said.
May 23, 20178 yr QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ May 23, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) So Tyler Flowers is now hitting .360 with strong BB and K% in over 100 PA for the Braves. Avila was taking in the early season as well...
May 24, 20178 yr Buster OlneyVerified account @Buster_ESPN 1h1 hour ago Padres recently reaffirmed to other teams that they continue to be open for business; primary guy on the table is LH reliever Brad Hand.
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.