fathom Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yep that's too bad for Urias. Not sure if this makes them more or less likely to go after Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) This is the same surgery that John Danks and Johan Santana had. If their recoveries (or lack thereof) are any indication of what is to come, the Dodgers had a guy go from top overall prospect to non prospect Is it a capsular repair? i can't seem to find any information on it. If so, it's a tough one. One major advantage is age. He is quite a bit younger than either of them were at the time of surgery. edit: i found it. It is the same surgery for the capsule. Much will depend on the extent of the damage to the cuff or the labrum. Edited June 23, 2017 by ptatc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) Is it a capsular repair? i can't seem to find any information on it. If so, it's a tough one. One major advantage is age. He is quite a bit younger than either of them were at the time of surgery. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yordan Alvarez for the Astros seems to be blowing up as a prospect. Would be a great third piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Which offer do you take for Q: Astros - Tucker, Paulino, Fisher, Colin Moran Dodgers - Verdugo, Calhoun, Buehler, Kyle Farmer Rockies - Rodgers, Tapia, McMahon, Almonte Yankees - Frazier/Rutherford, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial Which deals would require a + (be it Frazier for the Yankees, relievers for the others) to get it done, how much, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) Which offer do you take for Q: Astros - Tucker, Paulino, Fisher, Colin Moran Dodgers - Verdugo, Calhoun, Buehler, Kyle Farmer Rockies - Rodgers, Tapia, McMahon, Almonte Yankees - Frazier/Rutherford, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial Which deals would require a + (be it Frazier for the Yankees, relievers for the others) to get it done, how much, etc. I don't personally think we will get THAT much but these are probably close. I'd go Astros though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Of those, i'd take the Yankees package but I don't think we get that much. If the Yankees package was Frazier, Sheffield, and Florial i'd still probably still do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) I don't personally think we will get THAT much but these are probably close. I'd go Astros though That's why I included the +, because Q on his own can't draw those packages after his start. Would also likely have to scrap Mateo and Tucker for lesser pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Which offer do you take for Q: Astros - Tucker, Paulino, Fisher, Colin Moran Dodgers - Verdugo, Calhoun, Buehler, Kyle Farmer Rockies - Rodgers, Tapia, McMahon, Almonte Yankees - Frazier/Rutherford, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial Which deals would require a + (be it Frazier for the Yankees, relievers for the others) to get it done, how much, etc. I think both dodgers and yankees wouldn't do those packages. Both are 3 top 100 prospects packages which we only got 2 for sale trade. Plus i remember reading that the dodgers were high on buehler and not sure he would be available. Sox would probably need to add more to the dodgers or yankees . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) That's why I included the +, because Q on his own can't draw those packages after his start. Would also likely have to scrap Mateo and Tucker for lesser pieces. Not sure on the stros pen but I'd add kahnle to get the original package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) Not sure on the stros pen but I'd add kahnle to get the original package The Astros have one of the best, if not the best, bullpens in the game. As good as Kahnle is, I just don't see him moving the meter much for the Astros at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Tucker is the guy I really want from the Astros, but would people take the following deal: Martes, Perez, Fisher, & Alvarez. Fisher was crushing the ball in AAA and is major league ready. He's really grown on me this year and could be Melky's immediate replacement. Perez is a very interesting SP prospect that has pitched very well in the Carolina League this year. Alvarez is a 1B but has huge helium due to his ridiculous numbers in low A (1.126 OPS). And Martes would be a great buy-low candidate if the Astros are willing to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) Tucker is the guy I really want from the Astros, but would people take the following deal: Martes, Perez, Fisher, & Alvarez. Fisher was crushing the ball in AAA and is major league ready. He's really grown on me this year and could be Melky's immediate replacement. Perez is a very interesting SP prospect that has pitched very well in the Carolina League this year. Alvarez is a 1B but has huge helium due to his ridiculous numbers in low A (1.126 OPS). And Martes would be a great buy-low candidate if the Astros are willing to move him. At this point, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) Tucker is the guy I really want from the Astros, but would people take the following deal: Martes, Perez, Fisher, & Alvarez. Fisher was crushing the ball in AAA and is major league ready. He's really grown on me this year and could be Melky's immediate replacement. Perez is a very interesting SP prospect that has pitched very well in the Carolina League this year. Alvarez is a 1B but has huge helium due to his ridiculous numbers in low A (1.126 OPS). And Martes would be a great buy-low candidate if the Astros are willing to move him. They can keep Martes, I'd take Tucker/Fisher and a couple A ball players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 06:01 PM) They can keep Martes, I'd take Tucker/Fisher and a couple A ball players Now that Fisher is up w Astros, I doubt they will trade him unless he struggles. So far he is doing well. If he is hitting well and they trade him, the rest of the package probably lessens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 05:33 PM) Now that Fisher is up w Astros, I doubt they will trade him unless he struggles. So far he is doing well. If he is hitting well and they trade him, the rest of the package probably lessens. I think he was sent back down a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogsplash31 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Which offer do you take for Q: Astros - Tucker, Paulino, Fisher, Colin Moran Dodgers - Verdugo, Calhoun, Buehler, Kyle Farmer Rockies - Rodgers, Tapia, McMahon, Almonte Yankees - Frazier/Rutherford, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial Which deals would require a + (be it Frazier for the Yankees, relievers for the others) to get it done, how much, etc. I think Rodgers is the best prospect in the bunch. I would take less on the secondary pieces to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 QUOTE (frogsplash31 @ Jun 25, 2017 -> 12:11 AM) I think Rodgers is the best prospect in the bunch. I would take less on the secondary pieces to get him. They aren't trading him for Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Tanaka, fwiw, finally pitched like an ace against Darvish the other night. This issue essentially comes down to this, who is THE best individual player a team would be willing to part with for Q right now? Quality vs. quantity. Edited June 25, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Which offer do you take for Q: Astros - Tucker, Paulino, Fisher, Colin Moran Dodgers - Verdugo, Calhoun, Buehler, Kyle Farmer Rockies - Rodgers, Tapia, McMahon, Almonte Yankees - Frazier/Rutherford, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial Which deals would require a + (be it Frazier for the Yankees, relievers for the others) to get it done, how much, etc. Rockies, easily. Probably would be Quintana + Kahnle and maybe even more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I'd be surprised if the Sox were offered any of these deals in July - even if Q were pitching more consistently. He's more of an off-season trade; unless he throws well the next month and there are no other pitchers of his abilities on the market. It's tough for teams to give up the talent that matches the value; it's easier when players are on their walk year or the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) In June (4 starts) Q has put together 24 IP, 24K, 8BB, 19H (1.125 WHIP), a .216 BAA against, and an ERA of 2.25. If he keeps his performance in line with this, he will be in high demand this trade deadline. Edited June 25, 2017 by turnin' two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 24, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) Which offer do you take for Q: Astros - Tucker, Paulino, Fisher, Colin Moran Dodgers - Verdugo, Calhoun, Buehler, Kyle Farmer Rockies - Rodgers, Tapia, McMahon, Almonte Yankees - Frazier/Rutherford, Mateo, Sheffield, Florial Which deals would require a + (be it Frazier for the Yankees, relievers for the others) to get it done, how much, etc. Astros for sure, but that Rockies package is interesting. Give me Dahl instead of McMahon and Almonte and I'd much prefer the Rockies. Or Dahl instead of Almonte, and Sox throw in a reliever. Heck, I'd give them Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Next start for Quintana will be big coming against the yankees who could be potential suitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 25, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Astros for sure, but that Rockies package is interesting. Give me Dahl instead of McMahon and Almonte and I'd much prefer the Rockies. Or Dahl instead of Almonte, and Sox throw in a reliever. Heck, I'd give them Robertson. What's wrong with McMahon? With the way he's playing this year, he's probably my favorite piece after Rogers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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