Moncada posts productive Fenway return

[caulfield12]

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/246875380/yo...nd-offensively/

 

We can least rest assured about one of our middle infield spots.

 

I'm tempted to say we saw greatness out of Anderson as well last year, but Moncada seems much less likely to get down on himself or let offensive (or even off-field) struggles impact his game defensively...you can see that he really enjoyed the glare of the spotlight (was calm about his numbers) and didn't shrink from it at all.

 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by caulfield12

[Boopa1219]

Moncada's best friend wasn't murdered.

 

Let's see how he does when that happens.

[caulfield12]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=19,d

 

Moncada Top 5 defender for the White Sox this year

 

12/18 players with negative scores...Cabrera, Anderson, Abreu and Davidson the main culprits.

 

Engel not loved nearly as much as Leury.

Edited August 7, 2017 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

They are already using pronounced shifts when Moncada bats left handed leaving a huge gap on the left side of the infield. With his speed why not just push a very solid buntpast the pitcher. Would be a hit much of the time if perfected. Beyond the Box Score has an article about bunting for a hit. https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2017/3/11...-billy-hamilton

 

With Moncada's speed it should be and has to be incorporated in his arsenal to keep defenses honest or else he will be losing many hits in the future to the shift .

[elrockinMT]

Moncada's best friend wasn't murdered.

 

Let's see how he does when that happens.

 

 

This is correct. Tim is having a bad year, but what are we to expect from him ? Even if he wasn't dealing with the tragedy in his personal life? And not just Tim, but any young player. Do we expect .400 batting average, 60 homers, etc? It's a process and even as highly touted that Moncada is I don't think we can annoint him King after a three or four day series.

Edited August 7, 2017 by elrockinMT

[Chisoxfn]

This is correct. Tim is having a bad year, but what are we to expect from him ? Even if he wasn't dealing with the tragedy in his personal life? And not just Tim, but any young player. Do we expect .400 batting average, 60 homers, etc? It's a process and even as highly touted that Moncada is I don't think we can annoint him King after a three or four day series.

Tim has had a rough season (both personally and professionally). But it is one full-year and lots of off the field stuff he is going through. I think any premature judgments would be crazy. The off-season can't come quick enough for Tim and it will be important how he recharges and refocuses leading in to next year.

[bmags]

I'm beating a dead horse, but considering we already paid Tim a contract showing how much the org is behind him, I just don't see how sending him down for some time is this huge no-no. Especially with Dansby Swanson down in AAA.

[bmags]

I think it would be good for him, not punish him.

[southsider2k5]

I'm beating a dead horse, but considering we already paid Tim a contract showing how much the org is behind him, I just don't see how sending him down for some time is this huge no-no. Especially with Dansby Swanson down in AAA.

 

For a guy that is already struggling with self-confidence, I don't know that sending him down sends the right message.

 

All though I would like to mention that there might be signs of life since the Stroman incident. In August Anderson is on a 5 game hitting streak, with two of them as multi-hit games. 7-22 with a double, triple, and a homer during that stretch and 3 RBI.

[bmags]

For a guy that is already struggling with self-confidence, I don't know that sending him down sends the right message.

 

All though I would like to mention that there might be signs of life since the Stroman incident. In August Anderson is on a 5 game hitting streak, with two of them as multi-hit games. 7-22 with a double, triple, and a homer during that stretch and 3 RBI.

 

One way to build confidence is to give him success again at a lower level and away from reporters asking him about his struggles every night.

[southsider2k5]

One way to build confidence is to give him success again at a lower level and away from reporters asking him about his struggles every night.

 

By essentially telling him he isn't good enough for the majors.

[Chisoxfn]

By essentially telling him he isn't good enough for the majors.

It is all in the messaging.

[Rowand44]

Why do we think Tim is struggling with self confidence?

 

Anywho, I don't think sending him down the minors is the right thing to do.

[bmags]

By essentially telling him he isn't good enough for the majors.

 

The Braves and the Cubs were capable of doing it with players more touted and successful in their major league careers than Anderson, but the White Sox it's apparently another tool in the chest that the white sox can't handle. The White Sox have shown they believe in him with a contract.

 

I don't believe the White Sox or Tim Anderson are different, and Tim also does own a home in North Carolina.

[southsider2k5]

The Braves and the Cubs were capable of doing it with players more touted and successful in their major league careers than Anderson, but the White Sox it's apparently another tool in the chest that the white sox can't handle. The White Sox have shown they believe in him with a contract.

 

I don't believe the White Sox or Tim Anderson are different, and Tim also does own a home in North Carolina.

 

This isn't a White Sox thing. This is a Tim Anderson thing. All you have to do is read the kind of quotes he is giving to media and on twitter to know where he is at mentally right now. Not every situation is the same.

[Chisoxfn]

By the way, none of us are in the clubhouse and working with Tim, so what makes the most sense can be very dependent on that. Club could prefer him working through it at the major league level and like the support system he has with the club. The tools and skills are there. Will be key to see how he responds to all of this adversity. His bat speed and pure athleticism is special. He'll never be a truly special player with his plate discipline, but he can be good.

[caulfield12]

Also depends on the atmosphere down at Charlotte.

Does Grudzielanek have any better shot at getting through to him? Doubtful.

 

Hopefully the pairing with Moncada elevates his overall game.

[Boopa1219]

I think it would be good for him, not punish him.

 

I think sending him down would be absolutely terrible for his psyche, they want him to get away from baseball and clear his head, they should put him on the DL.

[caulfield12]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=10,d

 

Top 30 in MLB strikeout percentage

 

You've got a possible MVP in Judge, but 4 of the 5 with fWAR numbers over 3 are from #19-30.

Other than that, just Gallo and Sano over 2.5.

 

About half have BB percentages at over 10%.

 

Moncada currently at 32.8% and 16.4% on the walks. 2/1 ratio. Narvaez the only other Sox hitter over 10% now that Frazier is gone.

 

To show how bad this current team is, Leury and Yolmer are #3 and #4 in fWAR rankings.

Edited August 9, 2017 by caulfield12

[chitownsportsfan]

After tonight he's almost average with the bat, use your imagination on the column headers. That 18.3% walk rate is sexy the K% at 31% is elevated but in today's MLB it's the new reality for some guys, stars and all. The power should come as will the average, with time.

 

2017 71 11 2 1 1 6 7 0 1 13 22 18.3 % 31.0 % .125 .303 .196 .366 .321 .318

 

wRC+ 96

Edited August 10, 2017 by chitownsportsfan

[beautox]

After tonight he's almost average with the bat, use your imagination on the column headers. That 18.3% walk rate is sexy the K% at 31% is elevated but in today's MLB it's the new reality for some guys, stars and all. The power should come as will the average, with time.

 

2017 71 11 2 1 1 6 7 0 1 13 22 18.3 % 31.0 % .125 .303 .196 .366 .321 .318

 

wRC+ 96

I know you're a fan of the Cano comp and i can see it similarly how Avi looks like Miggy, but from a production stand point i think Moncada settles into a David Wright like player, with the potential for multiple 30/30 seasons, I also think his K rate will drop significantly similar to how Bryant adjusted when he got comfortable in the league.

[chitownsportsfan]

I know you're a fan of the Cano comp and i can see it similarly how Avi looks like Miggy, but from a production stand point i think Moncada settles into a David Wright like player, with the potential for multiple 30/30 seasons, I also think his K rate will drop significantly similar to how Bryant adjusted when he got comfortable in the league.

 

If he's a David Wright without injuries then bring it the heck on and he'll be a cornerstone for the next decade on the SS. Wright has become under rated imo he's a very, very good player when healthy. I don't ever see Moncada hitting for the average Wright has, but he has much more value as a pure athlete, that is where I see the Cano comps.

 

edit: Hell, looking at Wright's stats, dude has only produced 12 less WAR than Cano in his career and has a 6 and 7 WAR season to his credit. If Moncada is worth 53 fWAR in the next 12 years that's excellent.

Edited August 10, 2017 by chitownsportsfan

[beautox]

If he's a David Wright without injuries then bring it the heck on and he'll be a cornerstone for the next decade on the SS. Wright has become under rated imo he's a very, very good player when healthy. I don't ever see Moncada hitting for the average Wright has, but he has much more value as a pure athlete, that is where I see the Cano comps.

 

edit: Hell, looking at Wright's stats, dude has only produced 12 less WAR than Cano in his career and has a 6 and 7 WAR season to his credit. If Moncada is worth 53 fWAR in the next 12 years that's excellent.

I agree, Moncada producing like Wright or Cano would be amazing. I just think Yoan is faster than Cano by a large margin and will be far more effective on the bases than Robinson ever was. Having said that I really think Yoan will be batting second in the line up when the sox compete.

 

Robert

Moncada#

Machado or Arenado

 

that is a top of the order to dream on.

[caulfield12]

Bigger version of Roberto Remember the Alomar, best 2b of the post-Sandberg generation

[southsider2k5]

Bigger version of Roberto Remember the Alomar, best 2b of the post-Sandberg generation

 

Alomar on top of being a HOF bat, was probably one of the best defensive 2B's in history. Let's not get crazy yet.