southsider2k5 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 12, 2017 -> 09:42 PM) https://theathletic.com/126003/2017/10/12/r...ented-in-scope/ Any general highlights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2017 -> 01:06 PM) Any general highlights? Well, for starters - the title of that article is: Rosenthal: Sources say the Braves' breach of rules violations are unprecedented in scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 13, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) Well, for starters - the title of that article is: This article really provided nothing new. We all know there really isn't anything compared to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 13, 2017 -> 06:37 PM) <!--quoteo(post=3569011:date=Oct 13, 2017 -> 06:16 PM:name=hi8is)-->QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 13, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) <!--quotec-->Well, for starters - the title of that article is: This article really provided nothing new. We all know there really isn't anything compared to this. I mean, I disagree. Everything we've heard to date hasn't sounded that different than the Red Sox. So to keep hearing "this is much bigger" means there is either a much larger scale of the same thing or much bigger issues we don't know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 14, 2017 -> 10:16 AM) I mean, I disagree. Everything we've heard to date hasn't sounded that different than the Red Sox. So to keep hearing "this is much bigger" means there is either a much larger scale of the same thing or much bigger issues we don't know about. The initial story sounded worse than Red Sox. The fact that the GM and another (forgot who) are out immediately kinda indicates that. Agree to disagree I suppose Edited October 14, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago MLB is wrapping up braves investigation. expect it done shortly after WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 26, 2017 Author Share Posted October 26, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 26, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago MLB is wrapping up braves investigation. expect it done shortly after WS. Meaning its done but they don't want it to overshadow the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors 2h2 hours ago John Hart Reportedly Will Not Be Punished In Braves Scandal https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/john-hart-reportedly-will-not-be-punished-in-braves-scandal.html …://https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017...-scandal.html … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 Really interested in seeing the outcome of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-mlb-wra...estigation/amp/ There had been suggestions Hart was about to start interviewing new GM candidates, but that’s on hold until the investigation concludes https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bl...ves-gm.amp.html Alex Anthopoulos Reportedly Will Be Named Braves GM Does this mean an announcement on Maitan is forthcoming? Edited November 13, 2017 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Yeah I gotta say, I think AA taking this job means punishment isn’t that bad. Maybe loss of a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 04:29 AM) Yeah I gotta say, I think AA taking this job means punishment isn’t that bad. Maybe loss of a pick. I don't think there is any reasonable punishment they can inflict that would make that an unattractive job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) I don't think there is any reasonable punishment they can inflict that would make that an unattractive job. It bothers me that MLB continues to set up rules so that breaking them continues to be advantageous even after getting caught. Per cardinals, what made it more serious was actual criminal charges brought. MLB's own punishment was laughable. Their punishment to Padres the same. They basically say "okay do-over". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) I don't think there is any reasonable punishment they can inflict that would make that an unattractive job. Along this line of thinking, there are only 30 GM jobs, and one of them is off the table as having run AA out of town over a contract dispute from the sounds of it. Even if a guy has to suffer for a few years of penalties, he is going into a really young, upcoming and quality organization. They have tons of talent on the way, a new stadium about to open, and a megarich owner with a sweetheart of a TV deal. I can't see passing up the Braves even if they get blasted on the international market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) It bothers me that MLB continues to set up rules so that breaking them continues to be advantageous even after getting caught. Per cardinals, what made it more serious was actual criminal charges brought. MLB's own punishment was laughable. Their punishment to Padres the same. They basically say "okay do-over". Worth mentioning that with the Red Sox they not only punished them, but also cancelled the contracts of their ill-gotten gains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Their punishment was a slap on the wrist. Of course they shouldn't be able to sign the players they acquired only via breaking the rules. Which is what I mean, when getting caught breaking the rules only means you have to start over, there is very little incentive not to just break them like crazy and hope you don't get caught. The Atlanta Braves were apparently cheating so boldly that they had to replace all of their executive team, but will be punished so lightly that they get the top executive candidate to run a team that will almost certainly feature many players acquired through cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) Their punishment was a slap on the wrist. Of course they shouldn't be able to sign the players they acquired only via breaking the rules. Which is what I mean, when getting caught breaking the rules only means you have to start over, there is very little incentive not to just break them like crazy and hope you don't get caught. The Atlanta Braves were apparently cheating so boldly that they had to replace all of their executive team, but will be punished so lightly that they get the top executive candidate to run a team that will almost certainly feature many players acquired through cheating. The Red Sox got locked out of the market for two years on top of losing their players. I would imagine if the Braves really were that much worse, they will see a heavier hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Sources: #Braves’ penalties will include loss of prospects. Story: https://t.co/37hSP0rcWr $ https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/930986548073566208 Unfortunately have to be a subscriber to read full article. Tho hopefully maitan is one of the prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) Sources: #Braves’ penalties will include loss of prospects. Story: https://t.co/37hSP0rcWr $ https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/930986548073566208 Unfortunately have to be a subscriber to read full article. Tho hopefully maitan is one of the prospects. Right before the article cuts off it does say Manfred hasn't determined which prospects would become free agents yet. It also says they would be subject to international bonus restrictions, so we'd be restricted to $300k. Seems like there are going to be a lot of prospects out there and not a ton of money to go around. Ohtani, Julio Pablo Martinez, Jelfry Marte, and whoever the Braves lose. I would think Martinez and Marte wait until next period to get more, but I feel like none of the current Braves guys would do that. They would basically be stuck without a team for half a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) Sources: #Braves’ penalties will include loss of prospects. Story: https://t.co/37hSP0rcWr $ https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/930986548073566208 Unfortunately have to be a subscriber to read full article. Tho hopefully maitan is one of the prospects. Sox would have no shot at him with only $300k to throw his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 09:05 PM) Unfortunately have to be a subscriber to read full article. Tho hopefully maitan is one of the prospects. It does say that losing Maitan is a possibility. Sign Maitan, sign Otani, trade Avi for Lazarito/Luzardo+, best farm ever? Edited November 16, 2017 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) Sox would have no shot at him with only $300k to throw his way. Would depend if they he is regular free agent or falls back under the international rules. Most he would be able to sign with a team now is 3 million. Could become a marketing thing for teams depending on if he only wants money or actually looks at the team as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 10:00 PM) Would depend if they he is regular free agent or falls back under the international rules. Most he would be able to sign with a team now is 3 million. Could become a marketing thing for teams depending on if he only wants money or actually looks at the team as a whole. The article stated he would be under international signing bonus restrictions. But you are right that most other teams also do not have money right now. There might a few weird signings to follow this offseason where money isn't the biggest determining factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Is it possible they will be available under the 2016 international rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 15, 2017 -> 08:14 PM) The article stated he would be under international signing bonus restrictions. That would be so lame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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