BlackSox13 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Can't say I'm a fan of sitting Delmonico for A.Gonzalez, or keeping Avi along with signing Dyson to a multi-year deal. What happens when Eloy is ready? Where does he fit in? Also not a fan of trading Fulmer for Franco and sitting Sanchez on the bench. See no point in having Grandal for one year either, let Narvaez continue us to work with the pitchers next season. One more season of Narvaez won't hurt and gives the Sox more time to work with Collins and Zavala in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 1.) Load up on busted former top prospects, guys trying to come back from injury, or just had a down year looking for 1-year deals to prove themselves, malcontents, etc and play them either to see if they can help the future or can be flipped. 2.) Sign relievers 3.) Field calls for Avi, Abreu, and if you get great value do it. If not, keep 'em. 4.) ????? 5.) Profit. Edited November 6, 2017 by ypres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 5, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) White Sox Trade: James Shields and Kevan Smith for Adrian Gonzalez, Yasmany Grandal, Brock Stewart, and $5-8M in cash (sox take on about $10mil in salary) White Sox trade: Carson Fulmer for Maikel Franco (Despite his 20 or so solid innings at the end of the year I'm not a Fulmer beliver) White Sox sign: Jeremy Hellickson 1 year $8M with a team option, Steve Cishek 2 years $14M, Kevin Siegrest 1 year $3M, David Hernandez 1 year $5M, Jarrod Dyson 2 years $12M LF- Dyson 2B-Moncada DH- Abreu 1B- Gonzalez 3B- Franco RF- Avi C- Grandal SS- Anderson CF- Leury Bench- Yolmer, Davidson, Delmonico, Navarez Giolito Lopez Stewart Hellickson ?(someone to eat innings until we have a call up or 2 ready) Bullpen- Petricka, Putnam, Siegrest Hernandez, Cishek....or something like that. The bullpen is probably going to be a mess regardless. The rebuild is still fully on, but we'd be potentially putting a fun offense out there with some young pitchers. And both Gonzalez and Grandal are free agents after 2018 so there's no added $ to the payroll for when we could potentially be set up to make a big splash in free agency after 2018. Not sure why Grandal gets so much love on here and Fulmer doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) Not sure why Grandal gets so much love on here and Fulmer doesn't I, for one, have not yet given up on Fulmer. Dudes a kid still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) Not sure why Grandal gets so much love on here and Fulmer doesn't I'm honestly fine going with Smith and Narvaez again next year. I don't really see the Dodgers just giving Grandal away anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) Didn't the Cardinals kick the tires on Avi in July? They do have interest. Carson Kelly is currently blocked by Molina, who is signed thru 2020. It doesn't seem to be that big of a stretch to see them deal him for slugging outfielder. I'm not saying they don't want Avi, I'm just saying they aren't giving us Carson Kelly for him. My opinion is based on things I've read and what my Cardinals-fan friend tells me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Not sure why Grandal gets so much love on here and Fulmer doesn't I lean the other way, I'm not sure why some people seem to think the Dodgers would just give away one of the best catchers in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 It's just not yet time to trade prospects for one-year veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) I lean the other way, I'm not sure why some people seem to think the Dodgers would just give away one of the best catchers in the game. Same. We keep thinking the dodgers will start caring about money, and they just...don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 12:57 PM) I, for one, have not yet given up on Fulmer. Dudes a kid still. Nor have I, finished strong in '17 and should 100% be in the '18 rotation If he doesn't pan out as a starter, he can be dominant late innings guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) I'm honestly fine going with Smith and Narvaez again next year. I don't really see the Dodgers just giving Grandal away anyway. As am I, Smith sounds like he's putting in work this offseason and Narvaez is decent Literally 0 interest in moving prospects for a rental in a MAYBE .500 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) I, for one, have not yet given up on Fulmer. Dudes a kid still. Or is it, kid's a dude still? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) It's just not yet time to trade prospects for one-year veterans. Still 2-3 years away from that...keep piling up prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Not sure why Grandal gets so much love on here and Fulmer doesn't Fulmer is the post child for what happens when you rush a prospect. The Sox just need to find a place to start him and leave him be for a season. Send him to AAA again, and let him start every 5th day. Give the kid as many reps as possible and see if he can work through his issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/2017...redictions.html Top 50 free agents from MLBTR. Trade Avi for the best prospect(s) you can get and sign the following. Granderson is because he's my favorite player. Pineda/Brantley are flips. Cishek is potential flip or holdover. RF Curtis Granderson 1 yr 5M LF Michael Brantley 1 yr 11M SP Michael Pineda 1 yr 7M RHP Bud Norris 1 yr 4M RHP Steve Cishek 3 yr 20M C - Narvaez/Smith 1B - Abreu/Davidson/Delmonico 2B - Moncada 3B - Sanchez/Davidson/Delmonico SS - Anderson LF - Brantley/Delmonico/Engel CF - L. Garcia/Engel RF - Granderson DH - Delmonico/Davidson Last spot goes to Cordell/Tilson(who?)/Saldino SP1 Pineda SP2 Giolito SP3 Lopez SP4 Shields SP5 Fulmer/Rodon CL Cishek SU Minaya MR Bummer MR Fry MR Infante MR Norris MR rando I agree with your fairly restrained approach to this offseason. I think the Sox do shop Avi and potentially Abreu for prospects. The rest of our free agent spending will likely be bargain bin shopping on prove it/bounceback deals. We have quite a few prospects who are expected to arrive for the 2019 season (if not sooner). Pineda might require a 2 year deal like the mlbtraderumors deal suggests, as it's unknown when he will be able to pitch in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Or is it, kid's a dude still? Can’t it be both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) Can’t it be both Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 If offense was all we wanted Wellington Castillo is now a FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 My gut feeling is that Soto is resigned with a minor league contract... if not, it will be a similar type of move. I don't think the Sox will really spend (either money or prospects) anything significant in the catching position. I really believe they think Collins is a year or two away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 12:09 PM) My gut feeling is that Soto is resigned with a minor league contract... if not, it will be a similar type of move. I don't think the Sox will really spend (either money or prospects) anything significant in the catching position. I really believe they think Collins is a year or two away. I think it is important, even if they believe Collins will be ready in '19, that we sign a good framer for whomever ends up being our ace. I like the idea of the "personal catcher" for a guy like Rodon or maybe even Kopech that might benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Once Soto went down, the Sox had the best catching they've had in years; not "good enough" for a contender, but still the best in years and good enough for now, with Narvaez on the upswing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 6, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) Or is it, kid's a dude still? Neop.... it's "dude's a kid still". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/red-...y-tax-cora.html “We need to score more runs,” said Dombrowski, noting that while there’s room for internal improvements, the team can add outside the organization as well. “…But we do have probably the open spot of first base slash DH, and so that’s a place we’ll try to create some offense there.” Jose Abreu would help Boston score runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/red-...y-tax-cora.html Jose Abreu would help Boston score runs. They don't have the pieces to get Abreu unless they pull from their MLB roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 7, 2017 -> 06:11 PM) They don't have the pieces to get Abreu unless they pull from their MLB roster. Lol, sure they do and wouldn't need to pull from their MLB roster. Michael Chavis would be a good headliner in a package for Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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