I feel bad for him, but he is always hurt. We need to move forward as if he wont make it to the big leagues.

 

this is the beauty of having a deep system. And it's not like he's a prized middle infield or catching prospect. Toolsy OF are a dime a dozen compared to IF prospects in the Sox org. It's a blow, but it's not a bad one. I'm just knocking on wood (literally, right now) that the more critical pieces to the rebuild enjoy good health this spring and year. We already are dealing with a pretty bad setback with Rodon imo.

 

edit: we have "SonofaRoache" and "GoodAsGould" both in this thread right now. Awesome.

Edited February 24, 20188 yr by chitownsportsfan

I guess that's good news right?

It means no surgery, at least not yet.

this is the beauty of having a deep system. And it's not like he's a prized middle infield or catching prospect. Toolsy OF are a dime a dozen compared to IF prospects in the Sox org. It's a blow, but it's not a bad one. I'm just knocking on wood (literally, right now) that the more critical pieces to the rebuild enjoy good health this spring and year. We already are dealing with a pretty bad setback with Rodon imo.

 

edit: we have "SonofaRoache" and "GoodAsGould" both in this thread right now. Awesome.

 

 

I agree completely, but his hype train was starting to roll big time. I am happy that we are deep and are in position to overcome busts. I think we also need to proceed as if Rodon doesn't exist, he will either be hurt or his agent will be too much for us.

Don't think there's much good news here other than that they think they can rehab it without TJ. At best he's missing a critical 2-3 months of development time.

 

Bigger picture (and problem) is that Micker seems to be put together with duct tape and zip ties. I'd be curious to here what ptac thinks but I do think that "injury prone" is a thing -- and micker is injury prone.

I just value and always enjoy his various insights. ??

this is the beauty of having a deep system. And it's not like he's a prized middle infield or catching prospect. Toolsy OF are a dime a dozen compared to IF prospects in the Sox org. It's a blow, but it's not a bad one. I'm just knocking on wood (literally, right now) that the more critical pieces to the rebuild enjoy good health this spring and year. We already are dealing with a pretty bad setback with Rodon imo.

 

edit: we have "SonofaRoache" and "GoodAsGould" both in this thread right now. Awesome.

 

Ummm...after Robert and Jimenez, it’s hard to find a projected big league starter other than the possibility of Rutherford.

 

I guess if you start counting the Engels and Cordells as “toolsy.”

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Sprain. This type of sprain most commonly occurs in throwing activities. The injury is characterized by the insidious onset of vague medial elbow pain that becomes worse with activity. The pain is typically relieved with rest but returns on resumption of throwing at over 70 percent of normal velocity.

 

An ulnar collateral ligament sprain can be demonstrated by pain or instability on valgus stress testing. Radiographs may show loose bodies, traction spurs or heterotropic ossification of the ligament itself. MRI can identify partial and complete tears, but this study is not usually necessary.

https://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0201/p691.html

 

From everything you can find online, it looks like a combination of 2-4 months of rest and rehab. Basically, he would miss three out of five months of the minor league season (end of June/early July return), then could theoretically play in the AFL or winter ball.

 

Otherwise, out for a full season but possibly with a stronger elbow upon return...1 1/2 years down the line. Since a lot of his value comes from his arm and power, it’s a pretty important decision.

Gotta think now he will never be healthy.

Don't think there's much good news here other than that they think they can rehab it without TJ. At best he's missing a critical 2-3 months of development time.

 

Bigger picture (and problem) is that Micker seems to be put together with duct tape and zip ties. I'd be curious to here what ptac thinks but I do think that "injury prone" is a thing -- and micker is injury prone.

There isnt much to add for this really. Ligaments take 6-8 weeks to heal. They will know around 4-6 weeks if rest will heal. They key is always watching the flexor strain as it is an indication the the ligament is still loose.

 

By coincidence im at a conference in a session on UCL injuries. The primary factor in UCL injuries is trying to throw too hard too often and pitchers throwing more than 48% fastballs.

There isnt much to add for this really. Ligaments take 6-8 weeks to heal. They will know around 4-6 weeks if rest will heal. They key is always watching the flexor strain as it is an indication the the ligament is still loose.

 

By coincidence im at a conference in a session on UCL injuries. The primary factor in UCL injuries is trying to throw too hard too often and pitchers throwing more than 48% fastballs.

 

Or throwing too hard soon in ST to impress everyone...?

Or throwing too hard soon in ST to impress everyone...?

Probably not. UCL injuies are cumulative trauma over time to loosen it up. Its not an injury from just a few throws unless they fall on it or a similar trauma.

 

It could happen if he did nothing in the offseason and the flexor muscles were fatigued. Howver by most reports hes a dedicated player.

Edited February 24, 20188 yr by ptatc

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Sprain. This type of sprain most commonly occurs in throwing activities. The injury is characterized by the insidious onset of vague medial elbow pain that becomes worse with activity. The pain is typically relieved with rest but returns on resumption of throwing at over 70 percent of normal velocity.

 

An ulnar collateral ligament sprain can be demonstrated by pain or instability on valgus stress testing. Radiographs may show loose bodies, traction spurs or heterotropic ossification of the ligament itself. MRI can identify partial and complete tears, but this study is not usually necessary.

https://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0201/p691.html

 

From everything you can find online, it looks like a combination of 2-4 months of rest and rehab. Basically, he would miss three out of five months of the minor league season (end of June/early July return), then could theoretically play in the AFL or winter ball.

 

Otherwise, out for a full season but possibly with a stronger elbow upon return...1 1/2 years down the line. Since a lot of his value comes from his arm and power, it’s a pretty important decision.

 

Keston Hiura just had this injury and DH'd through it. Why can't Micker do the same? That way he doesn't entirely lose the development time.

Keston Hiura just had this injury and DH'd through it. Why can't Micker do the same? That way he doesn't entirely lose the development time.

Depends on loose the ligament is and the damage to the muscle. Squeezing the bat purs stress on the muscle and can put stress on the ligament. The bat swing puts stress on the elbow similar to a throw if you picture where the right arm is during a right handed swing. The stress is far less but again it depends on the laxity inthejoint. Since the repirt says that he will miss more time if surgery is needec, im guessing there is a fair amount of laxity.

Kevin Powell @kpowell720

now

Rick Hahn with an update on Micker Adolfo: He will be used as DH this season. Hope is he won't miss full season of at-bats. Still hasn't ruled out surgery at some point down the road. #WhiteSox

 

Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan

53s

Micker Adolfo could start season at Winston-Salem as a DH, Hahn says. Surgery still a possibility, tho. Get as many at-bats as possible.

Edited February 25, 20188 yr by Sleepy Harold

James Fegan @JRFegan

now

Adolfo did tee work today. Could DH in Cactus League but likely to be in B games

 

James Fegan

@JRFegan

Adolfo could still have TJ surgery if his injury does not improve with rest. If that happens, Sox will try to have that surgery timed so he is ready for 2019 fully healthy. Hahn estimated the recovery for that at 7-9 months

 

12:42pm · 25 Feb 2018 · Twitter for iPhone

Edited February 25, 20188 yr by Sleepy Harold

Good call from the poster who mentioned Hiura for having the same injury.

Kevin Powell @kpowell720

1m

Hahn says there is no risk of further damage to the elbow. So the hope is he can get reps at the plate while rehabbing injury.

 

James Fegan @JRFegan

1m

Yes, this decision is the result of the second opinion. Hahn said the sprain in Adolfo’s UCL has been described as a “pinhole tear,” but that it’s a “very robust ligament”

Edited February 25, 20188 yr by Sleepy Harold

Kevin Powell @kpowell720

now

Rick Hahn with an update on Micker Adolfo: He will be used as DH this season. Hope is he won't miss full season of at-bats. Still hasn't ruled out surgery at some point down the road. #WhiteSox

 

Daryl Van Schouwen @CST_soxvan

53s

Micker Adolfo could start season at Winston-Salem as a DH, Hahn says. Surgery still a possibility, tho. Get as many at-bats as possible.

This is tremendous f***ing news. Losing an offensive year of development would have sucked for Micker given he’ll only have two option years left after this one. And glad they’re planning on timing a potential TJS survey just right to minimize the time he misses on the field.

 

So with this news, I think we see the following OF groups at Winston-Salem & Kannapolis to start the season:

 

Winston-Salem. Kannapolis

LF: Rutherford. Gonzalez

CF: Basabe. Robert

RF: Call. Dedelow

4th: Booker. Destino

DH: Adolfo

Keston Hiura just had this injury and DH'd through it. Why can't Micker do the same? That way he doesn't entirely lose the development time.

Props

Kevin Powell @kpowell720

1m

Hahn says there is no risk of further damage to the elbow. So the hope is he can get reps at the plate while rehabbing injury.

 

James Fegan @JRFegan

1m

Yes, this decision is the result of the second opinion. Hahn said the sprain in Adolfo’s UCL has been described as a “pinhole tear,” but that it’s a “very robust ligament”

 

Very happy to see he will be able to hit, as that is the part of his game that needs the most reps.

Let's hope it recovers ASAP so he doesn't need that surgery 2 months into the season so he is ready for next year

Edited February 26, 20188 yr by BigHurt3515

Let's hope it recovers ASAP so he doesn't need that surgery 2 months into the season so he is ready for next year

If he needs it they will time it so he will be ready for the full season next year. This puts it at july or august depending onwhich procedure they want to use.

Just about everybody will get bit by the injury bug sooner or later, but on some players the bug just keeps on biting and biting. Micker has a lengthy list of injuries before his 21st birthday. That doesn't give me a lot of confidence about his future health. Hopefully he can get healthy and STAY healthy.