1 minute ago, Orlando said:

Could have easily said “we aren’t ruling out any possibility that makes this club better and fits our long term goals”

He clearly shut it down.

And like I said, any answer that doesn't shut it down would lead to the fanbase going crazy. That's not something he likes to do. 

1 minute ago, Orlando said:

Could have easily said “we aren’t ruling out any possibility that makes this club better and fits our long term goals”

He clearly shut it down.

Again, for the very point you're trying to make, is why he shut it down.  Also, why give the agents the idea that you have 600 million dollars you can possibly spend?  Now, do I think they'll get both.....hell no

The conspiracy theories in this past couple pages of thread sure are something.

1 minute ago, Ben Waffleson said:

-1 for Hector

Pretty sure he means he has an offer he could tolerate from the Sox so theres no chance he doesnt get close to what he wants but he might as well continue to wait and see if anyone beats it.

7 minutes ago, fathom said:

And now we have Hector confirming the report, but who knows if he's misinterpreting what safety net means.

 

4 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said:

Was definitely a language thing with Hector just by looking at his tweets. To me he was saying the sox are still the leaders for manny.

 

1 minute ago, Ben Waffleson said:

-1 for Hector

I asked Hector if it was a language barrier in regards to the phrase "safety net" and he confirmed his source was still saying manny to the Sox. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

If you don't think the Phillies are in constant contact with Manny's agent, you are being foolish. To not say you have already agreed to a contract with another team, for the sole purpose of keeping Harper's potential contract lower, is not professional or moral. The agent would be done. Manny would be an outcast. The White Sox would penalized very severely. 

Setting aside Lozano's morals for a minute (which are questionable at best), please direct me to the place in the CBA that says when a deal has to be announced, or that a deal has to be announced in a certain time if there is a chance that another player can use the terms of that deal to his advantage.  You're conflating these markets.  They are separate markets.  They are not related.  They only seem that way because the same teams are in on both guys.

At this point Hector Gomez just seems like a bot that latches onto any Machado stories and says "Very interesting" or something along those lines. 

3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to remove my picture from this board. You promised you would not reveal my identity! 

It's fun seeing interviews with Ivan Nova because with all of this Manny bullshit I completely forgot we acquired anyone else this offseason besides Yonder and Jay.

if the sox managed to sign both i probably wouldnt enjoy it cause I die of a freakin heart attack

7 minutes ago, fathom said:

There was nothing to gain for Hahn to say they could possibly afford both.

There was also nothing to gain by saying this off season would be a disappointment if they didn't sign one.

22 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

If Manny agreed to a White Sox contract, how would the Phillies not know he isn't negotiating with him any more? And if it's cool to fake negotiate in an effort to keep another player's contract down, great. This is even dumber than added security for a press conference. The fakes have officially run out of ideas.

Machado hasn’t been negotiating with Philly for several weeks

Just now, chw42 said:

At this point Hector Gomez just seems like a bot that latches onto any Machado stories and says "Very interesting" or something along those lines. 

Not at all. I have to give Gomez credit here, he's been consistent all winter long and about the only "insider" that's done this.

Someone needs to tell Ken Rosenthal to speak up. He can shut this shit down, good or bad.

1 minute ago, iamshack said:

Machado hasn’t been negotiating with Philly for several weeks

It feels this way to me - seems the Phillies think they're not going to beat the Sox out on Manny but can with Bryce.

1 minute ago, Perfect Vision said:

Setting aside Lozano's morals for a minute (which are questionable at best), please direct me to the place in the CBA that says when a deal has to be announced, or that a deal has to be announced in a certain time if there is a chance that another player can use the terms of that deal to his advantage.  You're conflating these markets.  They are separate markets.  They are not related.  They only seem that way because the same teams are in on both guys.

If you don't find that scenerio wrong at all, I am very glad I don't know you. 

Why did you fail to tell the Phillies your client had agreed to terms with another team and is no longer considering signing with them?

Well, we were hoping to fake them out so they wouldn't offer another player too much money, so this player could join my client in Chicago. Mr. Reinsdorf and I cooked this up. 

 

How can you now realize how stupid this is?

'safety net' doesnt mean 'being used.' i'm not sure why people are taking it that way

'safety net' means we're the team offering the 2nd most money to 1 of 2 guys.

2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

At this point Hector Gomez just seems like a bot that latches onto any Machado stories and says "Very interesting" or something along those lines. 

Hector is close with a lot of Dominican MLB players. He isn't one of these randos who does this to increase his twitter followers.

Just now, Ben Waffleson said:

Someone needs to tell Ken Rosenthal to speak up. He can shut this shit down, good or bad.

Ken seems to be out of the loop intentionally on this. Maybe he has seen all the animosity and doesnt want a part of spreading nonsense?

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

There was also nothing to gain by saying this off season would be a disappointment if they didn't sign one.

I think a good rule of thumb is to not put stock in either direction into what Rick Hahn has said to the media lately. Even just yesterday, he said there's nothing to gain from him giving a public update on Machado until anything is finalized, so he prefers to stay silent. That's the one thing I trust he's actually being 100% honest about. 

4 minutes ago, iamshack said:

Machado hasn’t been negotiating with Philly for several weeks

Another guy who knows all the answers. 

If the Players Association is so worried about collusion, why would a player and his agent play along to suppress what may be the largest contract in the game's history/ 

 

It is the dumbest scenerio of all time.

Edited February 14, 20197 yr by Dick Allen

Just now, Princess Dye said:

'safety net' doesnt mean 'being used.' i'm not sure why people are taking it that way

'safety net' means we're the team offering the 2nd most money to 1 of 2 guys.

Would seem the implications is we're the team offering the most money not the 2nd most but that they want more than both offers from someone if they can.

Just now, GermanSoxFan said:

Hector is close with a lot of Dominican MLB players. He isn't one of these randos who does this to increase his twitter followers.

I'm not saying he's not legit. But the way he answers certain questions and his posting style in general seems very bot-like. 

3 minutes ago, iamshack said:

Machado hasn’t been negotiating with Philly for several weeks

Then what other team is out there? The Padres were denied a meeting I thought? Is he seriously waitingrhe Yankees out? 

Just now, chw42 said:

I'm not saying he's not legit. But the way he answers certain questions and his posting style in general seems very bot-like. 

I am guessing that is more because of English being his second language than anything else.