Nobody asked for it, but just to prove just how terrible hahn has been as GM at free agency now with our 2018-19 class. (this is somewhat edited toward players likely to be mlb signings)

I bolded anyone that was a great signing (exceeded value of contract). 

2012-13

Dewayne Wise

Jeff Keppinger

Tony Pena

Matt Lindstrom

2013-14

Jose Abreu (skeptical if it counts)

Zack Putnam

Felipe Paulino

Ronald Belisario

Scott Downs

Dylan Axelrod

Brian Omogrosso

2014-15

Junior Guerra (let go for nothing later)

Zack Duke

Adam LaRoche

David Robertson

Melky Cabrera

Brad Penny

Emilio Bonifacio

Geovany Soto

Scott Carroll

Jesse Crain

Gordon Beckham

Nicky Delmonico

Matt Albers

2015-16

Matt Purke

Alex Avila

Dioner Navarro

Jacob Turner

Matt Albers

Mat Latos

Jimmy Rollins

Austin Jackson

Chris Volstad

2016-17

Derek Holland

Cody Asche

Everth Cabrera

Geovany Soto

Gregory Infante

Anthony Swarzak

Peter Bourjas

2017-18

Matt Skole

Welington Castillo

Miguel Gonzalez

Chris Volstad

Xavier Cedeno

Jeanmar Gomez

Bruce Rondon

Hector Santiago

2018-19

James McCann

Kelvin Herrerra

Jon Jay

 

Who is excited to go discount shopping with Rick Hahn?? We have plenty of money for b/c free agents! 

EDIT - see post with $/WAR 

 

This is easy, how many current mlb players are home grown White Sox.  I honestly can't think of one off the top of my head.  Their talent evaluation has been one of if not the worst in the majors.  Their farm system ranked up with all the other teams top talent they were lucky enough to get. 

 

 

Oops should have read closer... FA

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by Worldbreaker Palk

Just now, Worldbreaker Palk said:

This is easy, how many current mlb players are home grown White Sox.  I honestly can't think of one off the top of my head.  Their talent evaluation has been one of if not the worst in the majors.  Their farm system ranked up with all the other teams top talent they were lucky enough to get. 

Good point

Bad in free agency

bad in drafting

bad in international scouting

decent in trades

So you're saying signing Manny Machado would have backfired spectacularly?

1 minute ago, GermanSoxFan said:

So you're saying signing Manny Machado would have backfired spectacularly?

Ha! no not at all.

But I'd like everyone that says manny is too expensive to look at the sum value of all of these "reasonable deals".

Hahn's free agency is like going to target. As you pass by each one and put it in your cart you think "this is reasonable, could be useful!", and you pass by tvs and think "naw, too extravigant". Then you get to the checkout aisle with $250 worth of useless shit and you are like "where did this all go to?"

 

Looks like a bunch of NRIs and busts

47 minutes ago, bmags said:

Nobody asked for it, but just to prove just how terrible hahn has been as GM at free agency now with our 2018-19 class. (this is somewhat edited toward players likely to be mlb signings)

I bolded anyone that was a great signing (exceeded value of contract). 

2012-13

Dewayne Wise

Jeff Keppinger

Tony Pena

Matt Lindstrom

2013-14

Jose Abreu (skeptical if it counts)

Zack Putnam

Felipe Paulino

Ronald Belisario

Scott Downs

Dylan Axelrod

Brian Omogrosso

2014-15

Junior Guerra (let go for nothing later)

Zack Duke

Adam LaRoche

David Robertson

Melky Cabrera

Brad Penny

Emilio Bonifacio

Geovany Soto

Scott Carroll

Jesse Crain

Gordon Beckham

Nicky Delmonico

Matt Albers

2015-16

Matt Purke

Alex Avila

Dioner Navarro

Jacob Turner

Matt Albers

Mat Latos

Jimmy Rollins

Austin Jackson

Chris Volstad

2016-17

Derek Holland

Cody Asche

Everth Cabrera

Geovany Soto

Gregory Infante

Anthony Swarzak

Peter Bourjas

2017-18

Matt Skole

Welington Castillo

Miguel Gonzalez

Chris Volstad

Xavier Cedeno

Jeanmar Gomez

Bruce Rondon

Hector Santiago

2018-19

James McCann

Kelvin Herrerra

Jon Jay

 

Who is excited to go discount shopping with Rick Hahn?? We have plenty of money for b/c free agents! 

Man, it's tough being a White Sox fan. When you look at it that way, wow it's been rough

Hahn won't spend $300 million on Machado but will waste millions of dollars on some of the stiffs you listed. He is the least successful GM in the modern history of the franchise and he keeps his job. His contract runs out after the 2019 season. Hopefully 2019 will be his last year as the GM.

1 minute ago, WBWSF said:

Hahn won't spend $300 million on Machado but will waste millions of dollars on some of the stiffs you listed. He is the least successful GM in the modern history of the franchise and he keeps his job. His contract runs out after the 2019 season. Hopefully 2019 will be his last year as the GM.

If ownership was competent he would have been long gone, same for KW

This list makes me sad.... Makes me feel like my Miami Lolfins part deux

6 minutes ago, steveno89 said:

Man, it's tough being a White Sox fan. When you look at it that way, wow it's been rough

I think it's only fair to be noted that 2+ years of that list we weren't even pretending to compete. We took a look on a lot of lotto ticket guys in recent years, but that's no defense of those early swings and misses.

To be fair Matt Albers succeeded the value of his contract just from that one double he hit.

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by Rowand44

2 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

I think it's only fair to be noted that 2+ years of that list we weren't even pretending to compete. We took a look on a lot of lotto ticket guys in recent years, but that's no defense of those early swings and misses.

Why don't our lotto tickets ever hit again?

nice guy. bad GM

11 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Hahn won't spend $300 million on Machado but will waste millions of dollars on some of the stiffs you listed. He is the least successful GM in the modern history of the franchise and he keeps his job. His contract runs out after the 2019 season. Hopefully 2019 will be his last year as the GM.

Oh I envy your naivete 

This is repulsive 

The off season that SHOULD get him fired though would be this one. This is one of the most epic failures that I have ever witnessed. Again, not because they ultimately didnt get Manny but with how they didnt get Manny. 

1 minute ago, shipps said:

The off season that SHOULD get him fired though would be this one. This is one of the most epic failures that I have ever witnessed. Again, not because they ultimately didnt get Manny but with how they didnt get Manny. 

It all depends on what the directive from ownership was. If neither are fired this season, that means that JR wasn't serious and there is really nothing Hahn and Kenny could do about it. 

5 minutes ago, shipps said:

The off season that SHOULD get him fired though would be this one. This is one of the most epic failures that I have ever witnessed. Again, not because they ultimately didnt get Manny but with how they didnt get Manny. 

Nah he should have been fired after 2016. Any functional org would have. Instead we get a billion dollar op run like a mom and pop

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

It all depends on what the directive from ownership was. If neither are fired this season, that means that JR wasn't serious and there is really nothing Hahn and Kenny could do about it. 

Hahn will not be fired, that is a guarantee. 

I am sure that Preller had to convince ownership that this move made sense and was worth it to the franchise. That is part of the GM's job. They have to make the case to get every last bit that they can out of the owner to seal the deal. Hahn couldn't do this. He should be fired but wont be and we all know it.  

 

8 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Hahn won't spend $300 million on Machado but will waste millions of dollars on some of the stiffs you listed. He is the least successful GM in the modern history of the franchise and he keeps his job. His contract runs out after the 2019 season. Hopefully 2019 will be his last year as the GM.

I remember hearing around the time that KW was stepping up from his GM spot that there were a ton of teams inquiring about Hahn as I guess it was known he was a really good candidate as a GM.  JR stayed pat and for a while now I've believed that Hahn has been digging the organization out of the massive hole left by KW.  I'm still not ready to put this all on Hahn as evidence by KW coming out with comments showing he is still a large hand in what happens in this organization.  Thing is, KW is a FA gomer type of guy that believes it's the best way to keep a relevant team on the field.

 

I don't know how true it is/was but I recall about 5-7 years ago that the general consensus around MLB in regards to the White Sox and KW at GM is that they were one of the last couple of organizations that held to the old way of doing things and that the numbers guys weren't as prevalent in their decision making processes.  It was apparently also widely known around the MLB that their talent evaluation and development was the laughing stock of the MLB.

 

The last great thing to happen to this organization was Ozzie Guillen, love him or hate him.  That '05 offseason just reeks of Ozzies input because it flew so far in the face of how KW operated.  Then when push came to shove JR chose to stick with KW which IMO was the death knell of this organization. 

 

I'm still on board for the rest of this rebuild but if this thing peters out then I will stand behind the idea that this organization will not be relevant until after the team is sold and new owners come in that actually want to win.  My thoughts are that JR didn't care all that much, it was a business and he ran it well enough.  05 whetted his appetite for winning so in 06 they went all in as they should have.  That blew up in their face and the organization lacked the wherewithal to recover from it.  The decisions over this time period justify these thoughts imo. 

9 minutes ago, bmags said:

Why don't our lotto tickets ever hit again?

Fair, and yes, that gets back to your main point - misses on all level of FAs.

3 minutes ago, shipps said:

The off season that SHOULD get him fired though would be this one. This is one of the most epic failures that I have ever witnessed. Again, not because they ultimately didnt get Manny but with how they didnt get Manny. 

I feel like sox biggest problem is psychological. They lack ambition.

They look at their international free agency and think "see? Micker Adolfo, Fernando Tatis, we are improving!" They are not comparing themselves against the best. They should want to be the yankees and braves or padres at intl fa.

They look at drafting and say "look! Tim anderson in bigs, rodon in bigs, we are getting better!" They should be comparing themselves to the dodgers, astros and indians at drafting.

They look at free agency and say "look we were at the table!" They should want to be david stearns good at free agency.

They aren't concerned about what others are doing because they thing their process is improving. But it ain't enough!

1 minute ago, shipps said:

The off season that SHOULD get him fired though would be this one. This is one of the most epic failures that I have ever witnessed. Again, not because they ultimately didnt get Manny but with how they didnt get Manny. 

I just can’t get over Alonso and Jay. I thought there’s just no way a conpetent GM would ever bring them aboard unless it would just about guarantee any tiebreaker goes to the Sox. I was naive to believe they’d ever tie any offer above their cheap baseline

They literally did everything wrong: raised expectations extending back years, signed/traded for a friend and relative, then provided an incentive laden contract instead of meeting Machados reasonable demands. Hahn/KW/JR all obtained shitlord status after this. The trolling done was beautiful