June 4, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, wrathofhahn said: unless Vaughn bat ends up being top ten in baseball the pick is going to be a waste. LOL a top 10 bat in baseball is like a 145 wRC+. You going to be disappointed if Vaughn is just a 140 wRC+ hitter?
June 4, 20196 yr 17 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: Frank Thomas over Willie Mays is the homer-est thing I've heard since Hawk retired. As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true.
June 4, 20196 yr Cubs pick hit a 3 run homer about 2 minutes after he was drafted. That's pretty cool.
June 4, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, TomPickle said: Tonight ends with pick #78, correct? I believe so...at the end of another fucking competitive balance reach around.
June 4, 20196 yr 21 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Here you go "Pal". Something to peruse. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mayswi01.shtml Seriously what are you citing? Do you even know what this discussion is about? No one is arguing Frank Thomas was a better overall player than willie Mays. Frank Thomas was a better hitter though.
June 4, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, The Sir said: I was gonna agree with this at first thought, but when Ray says, "as a hitter solely", maybe he has a point. 1991-1997 Thomas had a 1.056 OPS, with six seasons over 1.000 and his max season at 1.217. Neither Mays nor Dimaggio nor Aaron did that, although Dimaggio was interrupted by WWII. I mean that is fine, it just isn't cut and dried at all. Yeah, Frank is one of the best RH Hitters of all time for certain. But you could easily look at any of those guys, especially Mays, and picking a difference is splitting hairs somewhere. You could easily be comping Frank with Jeff Bagwell (94-01), Albert Pujols (01-10) and Miguel Cabrera(10-15) and have similar numbers. Frank is an All Time Great. And the best Sox player ever. My favorite player ever. I don't know how you can claim him to be better than some of these other guys though. It is splitting hairs to make whatever argument you want.
June 4, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. But think about how much fresher a player can be for his at bats when he isn’t playing the field for over half of them in his career? But I guess the comeback would be, “well how many greenies did Mays take?”
June 4, 20196 yr 6 minutes ago, turnin' two said: I mean that is fine, it just isn't cut and dried at all. Yeah, Frank is one of the best RH Hitters of all time for certain. But you could easily look at any of those guys, especially Mays, and picking a difference is splitting hairs somewhere. You could easily be comping Frank with Jeff Bagwell (94-01), Albert Pujols (01-10) and Miguel Cabrera(10-15) and have similar numbers. Frank is an All Time Great. And the best Sox player ever. My favorite player ever. I don't know how you can claim him to be better than some of these other guys though. It is splitting hairs to make whatever argument you want. Lol yet you're laughing at me saying Frank is better... now its splitting hairs? So what were you laughing about exactly? People can be critical of me for a lot of things, but if I misunderstand or say something wrong I admit it and move on. You didnt understand the discussion, assumed I said Frank was better overall, laughed and were wrong. It's ok to admit it and move on. Frank is absolutely in the argument for top 5 right handed hitter of all-time, as I wrote and which triggered the discussion. Edited June 4, 20196 yr by Look at Ray Ray Run
June 4, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, bmags said: I am more bummed about this than anything else. God I love the brewers drafting. Brewers,Rays and Dodgers laugh at talent dropping into their laps
June 4, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: lol come for the draft talk stay for the frank versus mays talk. Lol it least it stemmed from an Andrew Vaughn discussion so its draftish
June 4, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. The OPS is close and Thomas had the big advantage of pitchers using a shorter mound.
June 4, 20196 yr 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. If you want to use OPS as a proxy, here is the career list (1st 4 are all LH). Of course OPS might not be the best metric if it doesn't support Hank Aaron among the best, if not the best RH hitter ever, or do I understand you to say Frank was a better hitter than Aaron? 5. Jimmie Foxx+ (20) 1.0376 R 6. Hank Greenberg+ (13) 1.0169 R 7. Rogers Hornsby+ (23) 1.0103 R 8. Manny Ramirez (19) .9960 R 9. Mike Trout (9, 27) .9936 R 10. Mark McGwire (16) .9823 R 11. Mickey Mantle+ (18) .9773 B 12. Joe DiMaggio+ (13) .9771 R 13. Stan Musial+ (22) .9757 L 14. Frank Thomas+ (19) .9740
June 4, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Seriously what are you citing? Do you even know what this discussion is about? No one is arguing Frank Thomas was a better overall player than willie Mays. Frank Thomas was a better hitter though. Based on what? I don't want to tear down Frank, but his prime, as mentioned was 91-97. 7 seasons. Mays had 13 straight seasons without having an OPS lower than .924. He also never played fewer than 151 games in that stretch. 4 times in that stretch he hit more homers than Frank's career high. He also hit double digit triples 5 times in that stretch. Stole double digit bases 9 times (do steals not count, it is offensive but not hitting. Ok maybe they shouldn't count). He knocked in triple digits 10 times in that span. He didn't BB like Frank did, but Frank had over 350 TB once in his career, Mays did 7 times. There can be a very strong case made for either guy. To try to claim it definitively, is silly. Edited June 4, 20196 yr by turnin' two
June 4, 20196 yr 10 minutes ago, Wanne said: I believe so...at the end of another fucking competitive balance reach around. Featuring 2 more picks by the D-Backs and the Padres, who are in such desperate need of competitive balance that they signed a $300M free agent this offseason.
June 4, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, ptatc said: The OPS is close and Thomas had the big advantage of pitchers using a shorter mound. Fair point certainly. I'd argue Mays had the big advantage of not spending his entire career playing against a league that was 50% users... as well as playing in an era with less talent overall.
June 4, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Some video on Thompson. I like the motion. Much better than sine of their recent high draft picks.
June 4, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Lol yet you're laughing at me saying Frank is better... now its splitting hairs? So what were you laughing about exactly? People can be critical of me for a lot of things, but if I misunderstand or say something wrong I admit it and move on. You didnt understand the discussion, assumed I said Frank was better overall, laughed and were wrong. It's ok to admit it and move on. Frank is absolutely in the argument for top 5 right handed hitter of all-time, as I wrote and which triggered the discussion. What triggered the discussion was you saying he was one of the three best RH hitters ever.
June 4, 20196 yr Just now, Quin said: Featuring 2 more picks by the D-Backs and the Padres, who are in such desperate need of competitive balance that they signed a $300M free agent this offseason. RIGHT?!?! Really just frosts my ass MLB does this....
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