Hahaha nice. 

That was a neat ending.

That is awesome, haha.  One pitch DP.

1 minute ago, poppysox said:

On another note...I don't recall the new nets coming into play at all tonight.  Forgot about them after a few minutes.

Exactly. So will everyone complaining.

You go Ricky!!! ?

Ballgame!

 

It could be worse, pessimists. We could be the Marlins.

Just now, ron883 said:

It could be worse, pessimists. We could be the Marlins.

Agreed.  We complain about Tatis Jr. but the few Marlins fans that exist have lived the worst fandom of anyone.  Imagine watching your team trade away Stanton, Ozuna, and Yelich and then watch Yelich turn into a perennial N.L. MVP candidate with the Brewers.

34 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Anyone who thinks the Sox are signing Cole, listen to Steve Stone right now.

He is speaking for Reinsdorf right now, saying that starting pitchers aren’t worth the massive contracts they receive to pitch into old age and because they are injury risks.

Did anyone else hear this?

He's not wrong. Very few of those contracts ever workout for the entire contract.

2 minutes ago, ptatc said:

He's not wrong. Very few of those contracts ever workout for the entire contract.

I’m not saying he’s right or wrong but it was very telling.  It’s almost like Steve Stone has now replaced Hawk as Reinsdorf’s personal mouthpiece.

Edited July 23, 20196 yr by Moan4Yoan

1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

I’m not saying he’s right or wrong but it was very telling.  It’s almost like Steve Stone has now replaced Hawk as Reinsdorf’s personal mouthpiece.

I don't know if I would go that far. I think many people on the business side of the game have the same view. It's just that it's sometimes necessary when teams get desperate.

3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

I don't know if I would go that far. I think many people on the business side of the game have the same view. It's just that it's sometimes necessary when teams get desperate.

If people on the business side have the same view, then why in the hell are 7 year deals ever offered to pitchers? Serious question. 

Nice blowout 

2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

If people on the business side have the same view, then why in the hell are 7 year deals ever offered to pitchers? Serious question. 

because a) teams realize they can eat the contract if it comes to it and b) because that's the only way you add top end talent to your rotation.

5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

because a) teams realize they can eat the contract if it comes to it and b) because that's the only way you add top end talent to your rotation.

I know they're afraid of collusion accusations, but it doesn't take much to just not offer more than 5 years to a pitcher. It never made sense so that would be what you call a market correction, no? Do you think it would never get done without collusion? 

Edited July 23, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

Teams offer these massive deals to players, including pitchers, because they are flush with cash and can afford to eat the contracts even if the players get injured, especially with insurance coverage.  Reinsdorf just refuses to do what other teams are willing to do to win.  The Cubs signed Lester to a big deal and you could say he has been worth every penny.  It doesn’t ALWAYS go wrong.

7 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Teams offer these massive deals to players, including pitchers, because they are flush with cash and can afford to eat the contracts even if the players get injured, especially with insurance coverage.  Reinsdorf just refuses to do what other teams are willing to do to win.  The Cubs signed Lester to a big deal and you could say he has been worth every penny.  It doesn’t ALWAYS go wrong.

90% of the time, regardless of whether the guy is a pitcher or not, it does. Keep the money the same, but the years fewer. I want the players to get theirs, but i think they should get a higher AAV over fewer seasons. If they want to spread out the money have it as deferred payments instead of wasting a roster spot on a guy who is clearly finished. 

Edited July 23, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

14 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

If people on the business side have the same view, then why in the hell are 7 year deals ever offered to pitchers? Serious question. 

Because they get desperate when they haven't developed enough if their own pitching, not that you can have enough pitching. They know the deals won't be worth it but don't see another choice.

2 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Because they get desperate when they haven't developed enough if their own pitching, not that you can have enough pitching. They know the deals won't be worth it but don't see another choice.

Why don't they have fewer years with deferred money then? The roster spot is valuable too. 

Instead of signing a 7 year contract you can sign a 5 year contract with 2 years of deferred payments.

Edited July 23, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

8 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Teams offer these massive deals to players, including pitchers, because they are flush with cash and can afford to eat the contracts even if the players get injured, especially with insurance coverage.  Reinsdorf just refuses to do what other teams are willing to do to win.  The Cubs signed Lester to a big deal and you could say he has been worth every penny.  It doesn’t ALWAYS go wrong.

2 of the 3 big contracts they gave out have been abject disasters this far

7 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Teams offer these massive deals to players, including pitchers, because they are flush with cash and can afford to eat the contracts even if the players get injured, especially with insurance coverage.  Reinsdorf just refuses to do what other teams are willing to do to win.  The Cubs signed Lester to a big deal and you could say he has been worth every penny.  It doesn’t ALWAYS go wrong.

It doesnt always go wrong but it usually does.  The insurance which is usually 25 to 50% only kicks in if they can't pitch. When they get worn down and old, insurance doesn't cover it.

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Why don't they have fewer years with deferred money then? The roster spot is valuable too. 

Because some other team convinces themselves they really need it and gives into the demands.

Edited July 23, 20196 yr by ptatc

3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Because some other team convinces 5hemselves they really need it and gives into the demands.

I'm trying to find a solution where the players still get their money, but the team frees the roster spot. 

Something like a 2 year team option where if the team opts in the player gets an extra 2.5M per year raise, but the buyout is like 20M or something. 

Edited July 23, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

Jose Abreu is so good it slays me! God I want him to finish his career a well paid White Sox.

Moncada is a stud. Nova ... nice job against a horrid team.

Sox remain pretty solid home team.