Just now, fathom said:

If it’s only Walker, I like this deal. Was worried Stiever would be included as Texas likes him.

I think the worry is that this is our best effort. 

I like the upside of Mazara to an extent especially with the guys we have around him. We will see

Just don’t understand the urgency to make this particular move right now. 

 

Does anyone still think the Sox are spending significant money this offseason on pitching after this pathetic acquisition?

Well they did something so there’s that.. not really who we wanted.. let’s hope they actually shell out for some SP now. 

I thought we were shooting for BB and OBP!?!? We were dead last in the league last season in BB. We traded for a guy that draws 30 BB a year and gave away a guy that's hits for average and can draw walks. Silly terrible move. 

Just now, ChiSox59 said:

Just don’t understand the urgency to make this particular move right now. 

Sox clearly have liked Mazara for a while, and if so many teams were pushing for him, the time was now. I think we should all wait and see what’s next instead of going nuts. Rather see Mazara than Kole in RF.

Love how it’s like a news dump

Texas just couldn't resist Steele Walker's Texas like name. Was hoping they'd like Gonzalez instead. Oh well. Hopefully he wakes up and mashes like Soler did.

Guys he hits RHP to 115 OPS+ and we traded nothing for him.  It's fine.  Relax.

Also if it’s just Walker, who is basically Mazara except in A ball, I think that’s preferable to giving Ozuna money for 4 years. Would have rather explored Marte and Nikki tho

lol we gave up our #6 prospect for a guy who hasn't hit 1 WAR in 2 years. Terrible.

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Sox clearly have liked Mazara for a while, and if so many teams were pushing for him, the time was now. I think we should all wait and see what’s next instead of going nuts. Rather see Mazara than Kole in RF.

This. Don't judge anything in the vacuum of one move.  On paper, I don't have any issue with this deal and could see many scenarios where it pans out.  A year ago people were calling Moncada a bust and now he is one of the best players in baseball.  Not saying Mazara will have that same "switch" flip, but lets not pretend that he doesn't have potential upside and worse case we are talking about a young, solid platoon guy.  If the Sox like them and the change of scenery works, who is to say they can't extent him a year from now or even 2 years from now.  

I hate the idea of this trade more than the trade itself

I have no issue with the move in and of itself but it’ll really be how it fits into the context of the rest of the offseason. 

Takeaways:

Sox went aggressively after targets that made sense that we’re not represented by Boras. (Wheeler and Grandal). When Wheeler didn’t pan out, they shifted to cheap players with control and upside that wouldn’t cost top prospects. That doesn’t leave you with many options.

 

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7 minutes ago, Chisox378 said:

Nooooo to Walker... He may be better than Mazara right now!!!!!!

Really? Aren’t they around the same age? One has been in the majors for several seasons. The other has mediocre numbers and bad splits against LHP in Winston Salem?

Hopefully Mazara’s problem was just launch angle and the Sox feel they can fix it

Really interesting quotes from Bill James on Mazara from 2018.

https://www.fantraxhq.com/2018-player-profile-nomar-mazara/

Nomar Mazara – Big Shoes to Fill

When Bill James calls his shot, saying a player is “the next Albert Pujols, Miguel Cabrera-type hitter,” people listen. When he says that player is 22-year-old Rangers outfielder Nomar Mazara, people immediately start to wonder what he knows that we don’t. For those who don’t know who Bill James is, he is basically the O.G. of baseball analytics. He revolutionized the game and its use of advanced stats and sabermetrics. James, on a recent MLB Network interview, said “I love Nomar Mazara. I think he is a guy who has a chance to be a triple crown winner.” Incredibly high praise from one of the most respected analysts of all time. However, it’s also a little perplexing considering Mazara hasn’t exactly dazzled in his first two major league seasons.

Gotta love that BP Power!

1 minute ago, Heads22 said:

I have no issue with the move in and of itself but it’ll really be how it fits into the context of the rest of the offseason. 

Grandal, Mazara, a couple filler SP and hope to catch lightning in a bottle it seems.

Mazara has put up the same exact stats for 4 years straight, I highly doubt he will surge...he may even get worse. My guess is he will stay similar.

Just a really pointless, desperate move made in a situation that didn’t call for desperation. 

Sox tried to trade for Mazara at least two other times. Clearly they like him.  I just wish they were able to get JDM also.