December 20, 20196 yr I struggle with these. Arenado is tremendous...he's also receiving close to market value. That makes him not sale. You are paying for his rights, but aren't getting much surplus. That's real. But haven't seen one of these in practice for a while. He'd get back prospects but not sure he gets the level we think.
December 20, 20196 yr 20 minutes ago, bmags said: I struggle with these. Arenado is tremendous...he's also receiving close to market value. That makes him not sale. You are paying for his rights, but aren't getting much surplus. That's real. But haven't seen one of these in practice for a while. He'd get back prospects but not sure he gets the level we think. The Stanton trade might be the best recent comp, although that contract was definitely worse.
December 20, 20196 yr 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The Stanton trade might be the best recent comp, although that contract was definitely worse. Right, and I'd imagine the answer is he'd net more but if the rockies just wanted to shove off salary there are less painful ways to do it.
December 20, 20196 yr Arenado's OPS was .772 in 2018 away from Colorado and .866 in 2019 away from Colorado
December 20, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I don’t see how that package is at all tempting for the Rockies. Maybe Cease, Vaughn/Madrigal, Stiever, + 1 crap throw in. I just can't trade a kid with number 1 stuff for a 3rd baseman in this environment. We have to produce starting pitching. We ain't buying it. That's just reality.
December 20, 20196 yr 12 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I just can't trade a kid with number 1 stuff for a 3rd baseman in this environment. We have to produce starting pitching. We ain't buying it. That's just reality. Agreed. If Cease figures out his control, he’s worth Cole money with his stuff. I wouldn’t trade him for an expensive 3B with weak road numbers.
December 20, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Jose Abreu said: I'm pretty surprised by the reaction here. I'm generally with you guys when it comes to these hypothetical Vaughn/Madrigal type trades. There are very few players I would trade them for, and I especially wouldn't entertain trading either one of them for a player with just one year of control (Betts). But assuming a decent amount of cash is included, I would absolutely consider moving them for one of the greatest defensive players of all time, even if Coors inflates his offense. You'd kind of have to move Madrigal since you'd be shifting Moncada to 2B. Adding Vaughn is just what I think it would take to get the Rockies to accept. His surplus value the next 2 years simply isn’t worth 2 top 25 and 2 top 150 guys. And if he has two more seasons of 5.5+ WAR he’s opting out for a bigger deal. If he performs worse than that, then the Sox paid 4 of their top 8 prospects for for a guy performing near or below market rate. It’s a no win situation for the Sox even if Rockies throw in reasonable cash. Edited December 20, 20196 yr by thxfrthmmrs
December 20, 20196 yr I feel like the stars are aligned for Arenado to opt-out and sign with the Dodgers in a few years
December 20, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, thxfrthmmrs said: His surplus value the next 2 years simply isn’t worth 2 top 25 and 2 top 150 guys. And if he has two more seasons of 5.5+ WAR he’s opting out for a bigger deal. If he performs worse than that, then the Sox paid 4 of their top 8 prospects for for a guy performing near or below market rate. It’s a no win situation for the Sox even if Rockies throw in reasonable cash. That's fair, and something I considered, but based on how the contract is structured, I'm not as convinced as you are that he's opting out at 30 years old even if he turns in two more Arenado-type seasons.
December 20, 20196 yr How about the Sox concentrate on building a contending baseball team, versus contrivances that will hurt like this? a I would also note that actual Contenders that have no 3B aren't pursuing this. But a 72 win team that has a 3B should?
December 20, 20196 yr I like Arenado, but if we did something like this I'd be upset, because then why dont you just sign a Rendon? Giving up prospects would make no sense
December 20, 20196 yr 4 hours ago, BrianAnderson said: I like Arenado, but if we did something like this I'd be upset, because then why dont you just sign a Rendon? Giving up prospects would make no sense Sox did not go through a rebuild to punt Madrigal and Vaughn in a trade at this stage. You have to think the organization views each of them as key pieces moving forward to aid contention. We just are not close enough to be pushing all of our farm chips in to try and win right now.
December 21, 20196 yr 9 hours ago, steveno89 said: Sox did not go through a rebuild to punt Madrigal and Vaughn in a trade at this stage. You have to think the organization views each of them as key pieces moving forward to aid contention. We just are not close enough to be pushing all of our farm chips in to try and win right now. Theoretically, I'd trade Madrigal+(as long as the + is not Vaughn, Kopech, Robert or Cease) for Lindor(if it were actually possible, and not fantasy land) in an instant. You have a year to convince him to sign an extension. If not, you flip him again next winter and gain some pieces back. Edited December 21, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman
December 21, 20196 yr All in if he was a free agent, yes. The Sox can't afford to give up the little talent they do have. They have to augment with FAs. Looks like with zillionaire Cohen hovering, the Mets will become major players on the level of the Yankees and Dodgers. Arenado might end up in Queens. The White Sox should be so fortunate to have a zillionaire buy them.
December 21, 20196 yr Dump the farm to get a player that plays the same position as our current best player AND eats up some or all of the free agent money we would theoretically use to get pitching, which we DESPERATELY NEED. Why? Edited December 21, 20196 yr by Eminor3rd
January 2, 20206 yr A new Arenado rumor surfaced today on Yahoo, saying there is a 50/50 chance he is traded. Then, it went on to mention White Sox as possible trade partner. Total BS, if you ask me.
January 3, 20206 yr On 12/21/2019 at 2:54 AM, pcq said: Anderson and Collins for Lindor. Leury Rutherford and Vaughn for Arenado. Not a good time to trade Vaughn. That deal sucks. Edited January 3, 20206 yr by Eloy Jiménez
January 3, 20206 yr On 12/19/2019 at 5:18 PM, KnightsOnMintSt said: Would the Sox be able to land him without giving up talent on the big league roster? Does a deal with Vaughn, Madrigal, and Stiever get it done? Probably; now why in the world would the Sox do that? I should resurrect the Cargo threads from 5 years ago... Edited January 3, 20206 yr by GreenSox
January 3, 20206 yr Moncada is on the verge of breaking out and being a superstar. I wouldn't move him off of 3rd for anybody.
January 14, 20206 yr Morosi on MLB Tonight threw out the Sox as a possible suitor and dropped Moncada as a guy that could interest the Rockies. I’m not a big Morosi fan, so take it with a grain of salt.
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