Orlando Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 This guy is a jerk lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Do they encourage reading in Chicago? Nah just gun violence Edited December 10, 2020 by manbearpuig 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, YourWhatHurts said: I don't want Hendriks. I think the Sox "losing out" on Hendriks is most probably a win. Reasons: 1) We already have a playoff closer, and he's head and shoulders above anybody on the market, and his name is Garret Crochet. 2) Hendriks at $13M+ per year? 3+ years? No thanks. That'll probably go bad. There's a long and storied history of great RPs who really suck hard like half or more of their multiyear contract. This sort of thing is almost always a really, really bad idea. 3) We don't need another "strike him out" guy. What I like about Colome is that, as a groundball pitcher ideally, he only needs one pitch to get an out. He's trying to pitch to contact. I would rather have a guy like that at a much lesser cost. The reality is, especially without robo umps, the more pitches you have to throw to record an out, the more likely it is that you will walk someone. I saw this guy Hendriks against us in the playoffs where he couldn't throw a strike so bad you might as well have called him Carson Fulmer. No matter how good he has been, there's a good chance we will see a lot of that with him in a 3+ year deal. 4) We should save the $$$ for good reason: in June or July, there is going to be a possibility that we may be able to take on a contract. Would the Nats make Scherzer available in his last year if they fall out? Probably. That's just one example, but there may be a lot of teams looking to dump a contract around July and if we were to miss on a guy like Scherzer even for a half season to overpay a RP then that's just bad. If it's a normal postseason this year and not half the league getting in, then there's an excellent chance that the market will be loaded with players whose teams are looking to dump their contracts. This could really be a great opportunity for us. 5) Also around June or July, there are likely to be lots of RPs out there on the market as is usual, many of whom are guys who people think "suck" now but who are in the middle of career years. Think about our Swarzak year, and this time, we are looking to acquire a guy like this instead of trade him. These guys will mostly be available for salary relief and the kinds of players like Sheets, Lambert, Luis Gonzalez, etc. which we have to trade anyway at some point just to clear 40-man space and/or (in Lambert's case) to give an opportunity to. 6) Going off #1, we just need a "bridge-the-gap" closer, which is why I like Colome, because I think at worst, we're looking at 1 year guaranteed with a vesting 2nd year. If he needs 2+ guaranteed years then I'm okay waiting on a 1-year guy or trying to trade for someone. I think we are best off with Heuer and Bummer in their 6th/7th/8th/whenever roles where they can come in and get a big K or groundball, put out the fire and keep us ahead or keep the game winnable for us. We just need a "clean 9th inning" guy. That means someone who isn't a threat to walk the whole world and has decent stuff. Once the playoffs start, Crochet is the guy. He is the real weapon in our bullpen. 7) Michael Kopech and Jonathan Stiever: here are 2 guys who are starters that are very likely to be coming out of the pen later on in the year, **if** the Sox acquire another starter, and **if**we don't have a SP go down with an injury, then it's Kopech likely going to the rotation. Now I know some people are down on Stiever seeing 92-95 and not 94-97 and some inconsistency and nerves, but if his stuff gets back and he's coming out of the pen, he could be a weapon at the front who could push some guys back. And Kopech obviously has the ability to be a monster coming out of the pen. 8 ) SP is still a bigger need. Don't spend $11M on a low-upside type when you can spend some more on a higher-upside type. 9) Tony needs more money to buy alcohol. You can't spend it all on Hendriks. then he'll have nothing to drink. My solution: try to bring Colome back on a 1-year guaranteed deal. Check in on David Robertson on a MiLB contract with a low base also. Move on to the best 1-year guy you can if Colome can't be had for 1 guaranteed year. Look to make a reasonable trade if all else fails. And if we're going to spend more money, put it toward the best SP available. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Far too many important threads haven't gotten a reply in hours. Let's go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tony said: You missed out because it was a very well thought out and informative post. He brought up some good points and some interesting points. He did a good job including stats and incorporating his own viewpoints about the particular subject. I would definitely read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 32 minutes ago, Orlando said: This guy is a jerk lol Its Jimi too. What a noob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Soxnfins Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 That’s a good sign from Hendriks, sounds like he wants to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 4 hours ago, RibbieRubarb said: There is always room in the Plushie Patrol. Have your safe word ready. 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Not gonna lie, I woke up just now excited to see something in this thread, but not one new post since I went to bed. Work is gonna suck today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Ross Gload Fan said: Not gonna lie, I woke up just now excited to see something in this thread, but not one new post since I went to bed. Work is gonna suck today. Or maybe he signs while at work, and you have an extremely unproductive day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Gload Fan Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Or maybe he signs while at work, and you have an extremely unproductive day! I don't have many productive days during the baseball off season 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I need a Hendriks signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Orlando said: I need a Hendriks signing. Can you imagine not anyone signing until close to Spring Training. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOFHurt35 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 When a guy is rumored this way for the Sox, it never ends up happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, maloney.adam said: Can you imagine not anyone signing until close to Spring Training. Lol I think that’s possible lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, HOFHurt35 said: When a guy is rumored this way for the Sox, it never ends up happening. Except when it happened two days ago with Eaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maloney.adam Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: When a guy is rumored this way for the Sox, it never ends up happening. Not necessarily. Lynn was rumored during the trade deadline and in the beginning of the offseason as a possibility and he ended up being traded to us. Grandal last year as well. Edited December 10, 2020 by maloney.adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Orlando said: Wow that will go over well. Why not just say "We saw some good things out of Adam and believe last season was a mirage." Why mention the organization being cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 Looks to me like Hendriks became the pitcher he is now because he ditched his sinker and change starting right around May 2019 and went exclusively with his 4seam , slider and curve. His 4 seam usage went way up usually accounting for 70+% of his pitches. Slider and curve used 2nd and 3rd most. He says he isn't stuck on any number but the reports are that his contract will be similar to the one signed by Will Smith last year. The ROI didn't work out real well for the Braves in the 1st year since Smith got Covid and didn't pitch well after he came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Orlando said: If it ends up being Hendriks and Q I don't know how I'll feel about that. Theoretically it's an improvement but does that really move the needle enough? Do we need to put money into a closer with Colome (would be a cheaper re-sign, yes?) and Bummer on this team? Wouldn't Bauer be the better go-get? Edited December 10, 2020 by RagahRagah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, RagahRagah said: If it ends up being Hendriks and Q I don't know how I'll feel about that. Does that really move the needle enough? Do we need to put money into a closer with Colome and Bummer on this team? Wouldn't Bauer be the better go-get? By no means am I excusing them being cheap, but if Brantley gets 2/30, that would not have made sense for the Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RagahRagah Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fathom said: By no means am I excusing them being cheap, but if Brantley gets 2/30, that would not have made sense for the Sox I agree. I love me some Brantley but he'd basically be a DH. But... don't we need one? Because assuming we are not getting Springer, Eloy is definitely staying in LF. Cruz? Edited December 10, 2020 by RagahRagah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, RagahRagah said: I agree. I love me some Brantley but he'd basically be a DH. But... don't we need one? Because assuming we are not getting Springer, Eloy is definitely staying in LF. Cruz? If he insists on two year deal, what do you do about Vaughn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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