4 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

Wow you guys have made me excited that The Sox might actually go out and get an impactful arm. I 100% support that notion over getting some garbarge innings eater like a Quintana type. 

Burnes is a very interesting target... I'd be stoked to get him, but also a bit afraid of the risk there. He really only had the irregular 2020 season where he spiked goodness at a MLB level, but he'd immediately be a guy that you plug into this rotation with Giolito and Keuchel for the next 3-4 years... and hope that he can become an Ace. 

I have no idea why the Brewers would ever want to trade tho... it makes no sense, these guys aren't expensive, they are playing in a division that is completely up for grabs, and burnes/woodruff puts them in contention. They trade one of them and they are out of contention really. Makes no sense to me.

I could see the Reds trading Castillo because they've been crying poor all offseason.

I'd prefer/love to just sign Bauer.

An impactful arm get would be the slam dunk of the offseason for this team. I think they almost need to do it and this offseason is ripe for the picking in that regards. I also honestly think it wouldn't cost as much as what people are projecting in this thread. Look at some of the deals made this offseason. 

The only reason I can think of that teams would trade a Burned/Woodruff/Castillo (other than the Sox taking back money) is to jumpstart a rebuild during/post-pandemic. There's no point in having a #2 while their cheap if you don't intend to compete during that time frame, so you might as well convert them into a package that has Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley, and a flyer.

3 minutes ago, Quin said:

The only reason I can think of that teams would trade a Burned/Woodruff/Castillo (other than the Sox taking back money) is to jumpstart a rebuild during/post-pandemic. There's no point in having a #2 while their cheap if you don't intend to compete during that time frame, so you might as well convert them into a package that has Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley, and a flyer.

And 2 of those guys would help them at the MLB level immediately.

Brewers have Hiura at second base, remind me why these guys have any interest in Madrigal? Hiura is their long term 2b. 

2 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

Brewers have Hiura at second base, remind me why these guys have any interest in Madrigal? Hiura is their long term 2b. 

Is he a long term 2b

Just now, bmags said:

Is he a long term 2b

I guess he could move elsewhere of course, but wouldn't they be more interested in Vaughn? 

1 minute ago, iWiN4PreP said:

I guess he could move elsewhere of course, but wouldn't they be more interested in Vaughn? 

They should try and get the best players they can period. Sox disadvantage is a lot of their “expendable” guys have positional limitations.

4 minutes ago, bmags said:

They should try and get the best players they can period. Sox disadvantage is a lot of their “expendable” guys have positional limitations.

Absolutely... I think I would have no problem trading Vaughn in a package for Woodruff or Burnes. I'd think Vaughn has more trade value than Madrigal so maybe something like Vaughn+Stevier+lottery ticket ? Idk.... 

 

Is Burnes some kind of all star? Is he potentially better than crochet or kopeck? Why part with Vaughn who in a year could be your starting first baseman for 10 years. Just seems strange.

5 minutes ago, quickman said:

Is Burnes some kind of all star? Is he potentially better than crochet or kopeck? Why part with Vaughn who in a year could be your starting first baseman for 10 years. Just seems strange.

Burnes put it together in the shortened 2020 season, he has amazing under the radar numbers that could put him as one of the best starters in all of baseball, he had good prospect pedigree if I recall. He's definitely better than Kopech and more reliable than Crochet, but there's also definitely some risk.

Edited January 13, 20215 yr by iWiN4PreP

For a little profile on Burnes: https://ddfs.substack.com/p/2021-sp-slow-ranking-milwaukee-brewers

43 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Sign Bauer and keep Kelley, Madrigal, and Heuer.

Agree. 

Just now, beck72 said:

Agree. 

Sure would be nice.

Edited January 13, 20215 yr by hi8is
And sadly it won’t be happening.

I think the Sox wait to trade any young players until next off season-especially to help the rotation. Their position player depth is uncertain and so too are the young pitchers (Cease is the best bet to be a set rotation piece, but Kopech, Crochet, Steiver, Lopez-probably a bullpen arm are question marks). We will know more after a year of minor league ball who is close to the show. 

It's not my money, but Bauer won't affect any long term pieces. 

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3 hours ago, SoxAce said:

He retweeted a guy that said Giolito/Lynn extensions afterwards so I'm assuming in regards to that.

Thanks!  Been out of commission all day, but that would be awesome!

2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Right team. Wrong pitcher 

@Flash - Your day may finally be coming!  Hopefully if a deal comes to fruition the price is much less than you’re anticipating ?

28 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

For a little profile on Burnes: https://ddfs.substack.com/p/2021-sp-slow-ranking-milwaukee-brewers

Thanks for this excellent writeup and stats. I am still not convinced you give up Vaughn for him. I guess we will wait and see. Thanks for the great info though.

2 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I honestly would far prefer trading Cease than Kelley.. I get I'm the lone guy here on that though.  I'd love to work as hard as possible around dealing him

Trading Cease for Burnes eliminates part of the logic which is having six viable starters next year. And I know everyone is down on Cease, but you don’t deal him without giving Katz a chance to work his magic.  I don’t think some here realize just how damaging Don Cooper was to most of young pitchers.

Please don’t trade Kelley.  

I am not sure Burnes makes sense, he has never been able to pitch reliable innings as a starter. I know this is a SP thread but if Burnes doesn't give you the innings and Woodruff is out, perhaps Hader is the player the Sox are targeting? That gives the Sox two elite guys in the pen mixed with a lot of cost controlled arms. In this scenario total salaries in the pen 3 seasons from now (2023) would be less than $35-$40 million. 

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I feel like the Sox have always targeted horses.  They put a super high value on innings.  I do t know anything about Burnes except the IP somebody posted above.  

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Since we are all getting crazy I would take Devin Williams. This burnes thing irritates me as he is a work in progress and I don’t want to give up any potential 30hr 100 rbi guy for a project. 

14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

@Flash - Your day may finally be coming!  Hopefully if a deal comes to fruition the price is much less than you’re anticipating ?

From your lips to RHs ears. As much as I'd love it, I can't see Brewers trading him and am afraid there would be anarchy if the Sox were to offer the type of package the Brewers might entertain. 

14 minutes ago, LeeElia said:

I am not sure Burnes makes sense, he has never been able to pitch reliable innings as a starter. I know this is a SP thread but if Burnes doesn't give you the innings and Woodruff is out, perhaps Hader is the player the Sox are targeting? That gives the Sox two elite guys in the pen mixed with a lot of cost controlled arms. In this scenario total salaries in the pen 3 seasons from now (2023) would be less than $35-$40 million. 

We already have two elite guys in the pen and potentially three with Crochet.  Trading assets for Hader would be a poor use of resources IMO.

Just to remind everyone...

The Food Guys / NSC have said the package for a starter would be Madrigal, Heuer + xyz

@Y2Jimmy0 has been pretty clear all off-season that Kopech, Vaughn, and Crochet are off the table in trades.

James is also the one who hinted at Burnes.

28 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said:

Please don’t trade Kelley.  

For Burnes? Please trade Kelley