5 hours ago, fathom said:

Vaughn, Cease, Kopech (one of two would have to be in it)

This nudges toward the Sale price range.   He shouldn't be anywhere near that price.

28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What if the Brewers can swing Hader for a young starter like Paddack and then turn around and trade Burnes for Madrigal, Heuer, Stiever, & Kelley?  Yes, they’re likely worse in 2021, but ultimately they get immediate replacements for both Hader & Burnes plus a cheap starting 2B (allowing Hiura to be moved to 1B/DH) and two pretty good pitching prospects.  For a mid market club in a bit of flux there is some logic to it.

Zero incentive for the Padres to sell low on Paddack... and they already have Pomeranz and Strahm.  And Hader i almost as high risk now as Crochet with how his stuff started to fall off from overuse. 

Edited January 20, 20215 yr by caulfield12

I am thinking Kopech ++

15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He made it through 2 months. To bet he is going to make it through a full season for the first time in six years is ridiculous. 

He had surgery mid 2018, came back at end of 2019 and pitched the full season of 60 games last year. Normally, TJS guys are back close to 100%  the second full season, and his velocity certainly ticked back up, but command was inconsistent. Plus, it's such a White Sox move. 

Edited January 20, 20215 yr by caulfield12

10 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

This nudges toward the Sale price range.   He shouldn't be anywhere near that price.

No it doesn’t - Moncada was the number 1 at worst number 2 prospect in all of baseball at the time. 

9 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

I am thinking Kopech ++

Then you do it and hope Cease figures things out with 4 reliable starting pitchers in front of him 

Their has to concern that he short arms the ball and has control issues. 

Fulmer had the same issues. Now Burnes strikes everybody out which is great but the walks are an issue. I don't even know if they are fixable with that delivery.

If its Kopech + +  and the sox hold onto Madrigal and Vaughn, so be it but id rather they just spend the money on a FA and keep the depth.

I leave for an hour and we are now trading Kopech? No thanks. 

I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be

1 minute ago, SonofaRoache said:

I leave for an hour and we are now trading Kopech? No thanks. 

Yeah ew. 

 

4 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said:

I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be

No fucking way.....Burnes stuff is really good but he doesn't have the track record for that kind of package. Consistency matters, which is why I think this will be less expensive than most think. 

I think the Madrigal, Lopez, Kelley, Heuer package is probably closer to accurate.

There's a lot of control left, but he had what, 9 successful starts in a 60 game season in 2020 and that's all? This is someone that you're supposed to be buying at a fair cost, hoping for continued success  not paying a premium in trade for. 

Burnes should be slightly more expensive than Musgrove. 

Edited January 20, 20215 yr by Jack Parkman

4 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said:

I do Kopech + Cease + Madrigal for Burnes easy. Throw in either Rutherford or Kelley too if need be

LOL

I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. 

Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. 

I agree and that’s why I can’t imagine how they get Burnes

1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. 

You didn’t include Cease in there ?

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

I agree and that’s why I can’t imagine how they get Burnes

Maybe Nick Madrigal has more value than we think 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

I agree and that’s why I can’t imagine how they get Burnes

What about TA + prospects for Burnes?

Brewers need a SS. TA is great but Sox can fill his spot by bringing Semien back, or Madrigal to SS and sign Cesar Hernandez

4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’ve said this multiple times on here but the White Sox aren’t trading Andrew Vaughn, Michael Kopech or Garrett Crochet for anyone this offseason. 

But they would consider trading Cease?

1 minute ago, CeaseAndExist said:

What about TA + prospects for Burnes?

Brewers need a SS. TA is great but Sox can fill his spot by bringing Semien back, or Madrigal to SS and sign Cesar Hernandez

Good god no

Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Maybe Nick Madrigal has more value than we think 

And Milwaukee loves Heuer, right?

Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley

1 minute ago, CeaseAndExist said:

What about TA + prospects for Burnes?

Brewers need a SS. TA is great but Sox can fill his spot by bringing Semien back, or Madrigal to SS and sign Cesar Hernandez

Cease and desist.

Just now, SoxBlanco said:

And Milwaukee loves Heuer, right?

Madrigal, Heuer, Kelley

I think you got to add Stiever in there too

I like Burnes but the more I think about it; the more I think that Madrigal, Heuer, Stiever and Kelly is a decent package for him. 

Edited January 20, 20215 yr by Orlando

Trading Cease for Burnes almost makes no sense to me. It doesn't solve the rotation and forces the Sox to go get another starter.