joejoedairy Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 This is my guess for opening day. It's still pretty solid and downright good if Vaughn and Robert are as good as we hope. Anderson Eaton Abreu Moncada Robert Grandal Vaughn Garcia Madrigal The biggest failing of Hahn is he seems to plan out who hes gonna have for each roster spot including the reserves with no wiggle room or backup plans. Having too many good players is always a good problem and Hahn is averse to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 hours ago, joejoedairy said: This is my guess for opening day. It's still pretty solid and downright good if Vaughn and Robert are as good as we hope. Anderson Eaton Abreu Moncada Robert Grandal Vaughn Garcia Madrigal The biggest failing of Hahn is he seems to plan out who hes gonna have for each roster spot including the reserves with no wiggle room or backup plans. Having too many good players is always a good problem and Hahn is averse to that. I think it’s more Jerry’s budget is adverse to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think it’s more Jerry’s budget is adverse to that. That's for sure. If Hahn could have a $200M payroll , he wouldn't just sit on his hands. No GM would. They work with what they are given. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Anderson 6 Eaton 9 Abreu 3 Moncada 5 Robert 8 Grandal DH Vaughn 7 Lucroy 2 Madrigal 4 Or Anderson 6 Eaton 9 Abreu 3 Moncada 5 Robert 8 Grandal 2 Vaughn 7 Collins DH Madrigal 4 Depending on if Grandal is ready to catch. Edited March 26, 2021 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Revised predictions: vs RHP: Anderson 6, Grandal 2, Abreu 3, Moncada 5, Robert 8, Eaton 9, Vaughn 7, Collins DH, Madrigal 4 vs LHP: Anderson 6, Grandal 2, Abreu 3, Moncada 5, Robert 8, Vaughn DH, Eaton 9 (until Engel is back), Madrigal 4, Garcia 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said: Revised predictions: vs RHP: Anderson 6, Grandal 2, Abreu 3, Moncada 5, Robert 8, Eaton 9, Vaughn 7, Collins DH, Madrigal 4 vs LHP: Anderson 6, Grandal 2, Abreu 3, Moncada 5, Robert 8, Vaughn DH, Eaton 9 (until Engel is back), Madrigal 4, Garcia 7 Once Engel can play, Grandal can catch, and assuming they go "internal" for LF, I'd go this route: RHP 1. Anderson SS; 2. Eaton^ RF; 3. Abreu 1B; 4. Moncada* 3B; 5. Grandal* C; 6. Robert CF; 7. Collins^/Vaughn DH; 8. Vaughn/Engel LF; 9. Madrigal 2B LHP 1. Anderson SS; 2. Grandal* C; 3. Abreu 1B; 4. Moncada* 3B; 5. Robert CF; 6. Vaughn DH; 7. Engel RF; 8. Garcia# LF; 9. Madrigal 2B I fear Lucroy playing 60 + games, Collins getting snubbed, Vaughn being overwhelmed if near everyday LF. Edited March 28, 2021 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) So after the new development, something close to this?: vs RHP Anderson SS Eaton RF Abreu 1B Moncada 3B Grandal C Vaughn LF Robert CF Collins DH Madrigal 2B vs LHP (until Engel returns) Anderson SS Madrigal 2B Abreu 1B Moncada 3B Grandal C Vaughn LF Robert CF Yermin DH Eaton RF Edit: man I miss plugging Eloy in the 4 spot. Edited March 29, 2021 by manbearpuig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Just now, manbearpuig said: So after the new development, something close to this?: vs RHP Anderson SS Eaton RF Abreu 1B Moncada 3B Grandal C Vaughn LF Robert CF Collins DH Madrigal 2B vs LHP (until Engel returns) Anderson SS Madrigal 2B Abreu 1B Moncada 3B Grandal C Vaughn LF Robert CF Yermin DH Eaton RF I think you forgot to put Yermin in the 4 hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 TLR just said if he had to write the lineup today it would be Leury in LF with Vaugh at DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 2:44 PM, manbearpuig said: Edit: man I miss plugging Eloy in the 4 spot. Keep your personal fantasies out of the thread. Its a family forum. 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 If yermin is on the roster you definitely have to DH him against LHP, you are not carrying him as a third catcher but as a DH/emergency catcher. That would mean that they are probably serious about trying Vaughn in LF. Once Engel comes back l think yermin gets send down, yermin is a better hitter than Engel but Engel is acceptable against LHP and provides a huge defensive upgrade over Vaughn in left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: If yermin is on the roster you definitely have to DH him against LHP, you are not carrying him as a third catcher but as a DH/emergency catcher. That would mean that they are probably serious about trying Vaughn in LF. Once Engel comes back l think yermin gets send down, yermin is a better hitter than Engel but Engel is acceptable against LHP and provides a huge defensive upgrade over Vaughn in left. Nah. Billy Hamilton will be gone. TLR basically said today they need three catchers because 1 is going to be at DH most days. I don’t see this as a short term thing as long as Yermin hits. Which wilL be interesting to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) On 3/29/2021 at 2:45 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I think you forgot to put Yermin in the 4 hole Yermin is about to prove a lot of haters wrong. I'm very excited for it. Edited March 31, 2021 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 16 hours ago, justBLAZE said: TLR just said if he had to write the lineup today it would be Leury in LF with Vaugh at DH. Did he actually say this? That would be sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 IMO.. Vaughn is short, slow, cannot throw, and has no experience playing left field. He should never be out there. Leury makes sense until Engel retiurns. He has speed., a strong arm, and can track fly balls. When Eloy returns he is the starting LFer. Telling Eloy he is stupid and because of that he is now relegated to DH is the last thing he needs to hear right now. He wants to prove he can play LF and wants to start. Forcing him to do what he doesn't want to do (full time DHing) could have a ripple effect. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, tray said: IMO.. Vaughn is short, slow, cannot throw, and has no experience playing left field. He should never be out there. Leury makes sense until Engel retiurns. He has speed., a strong arm, and can track fly balls. When Eloy returns he is the starting LFer. Telling Eloy he is stupid and because of that he is now relegated to DH is the last thing he needs to hear right now. He wants to prove he can play LF and wants to start. Forcing him to do what he doesn't want to do (full time DHing) could have a ripple effect. Yah, but it doesn't take being a rocket scientist to figure out that isn't their plan. Mercedes makes no sense on this roster if Collins isn't DHing regularly. Collins isn't DHing regularly if Vaughn isn't in LF. The only fit for Lamb on this roster is playing against RHP which he traditionally has hit quite well. Leury and Engel both suck balls at hitting RHP. If their plan was to run Engel/Leury out in LF most days against RHP, Lamb makes absolutely zero sense as a part of this roster. And then we have the fact that Vaughn has played exclusively LF since Eloy got hurt. Vaughn may not be in LF everyday, but I think he's going to at the very least be out there against LHP. I also don't understand where this Vaughn cannot throw stuff comes from. Wasn't he a reliever in college? Have to imagine he can throw a bit unless he had a shoulder injury or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Yah, but it doesn't take being a rocket scientist to figure out that isn't their plan. Mercedes makes no sense on this roster if Collins isn't DHing regularly. Collins isn't DHing regularly if Vaughn isn't in LF. The only fit for Lamb on this roster is playing against RHP which he traditionally has hit quite well. Leury and Engel both suck balls at hitting RHP. If their plan was to run Engel/Leury out in LF most days against RHP, Lamb makes absolutely zero sense as a part of this roster. And then we have the fact that Vaughn has played exclusively LF since Eloy got hurt. Vaughn may not be in LF everyday, but I think he's going to at the very least be out there against LHP. I also don't understand where this Vaughn cannot throw stuff comes from. Wasn't he a reliever in college? Have to imagine he can throw a bit unless he had a shoulder injury or something. Vaughn actually should play LF against RHP. Leury is better against LHP (like Engel) so it makes sense to play him against LHP because likely his defense is better and Vaughn should be decent against RHP too. And against RHP you play Vaughn in LF to get collins into the lineup. So lefty pitcher vaughn+leury at DH and LF and righty pitcher Collins+vaughn Regarding the throwing Vaughn doesn't have a terrible arm but he is not trained to run a "banana route" and use a crow hop. Maybe he can learn that but it also means taking some extra steps which he might not have the speed to do so (he might use a more direct route to get to more balls which means he doesn't have as much momentum as when he runs an arc towards home plate. Edited March 31, 2021 by Dominikk85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dominikk85 said: Vaughn actually should play LF against RHP. Leury is better against LHP (like Engel) so it makes sense to play him against LHP because likely his defense is better and Vaughn should be decent against RHP too. And against RHP you play Vaughn in LF to get collins into the lineup. So lefty pitcher vaughn+leury at DH and LF and righty pitcher Collins+vaughn Regarding the throwing Vaughn doesn't have a terrible arm but he is not trained to run a "banana route" and use a crow hop. Maybe he can learn that but it also means taking some extra steps which he might not have the speed to do so (he might use a more direct route to get to more balls which means he doesn't have as much momentum as when he runs an arc towards home plate. Yeah. I had a brain fart when typing that message but based on the context of my paragraph I clearly meant RHP. I had just said Leury/Engel suck at hitting RHP. And I’m not too concerned about Vaughn “learning” how to crow hop. Edited March 31, 2021 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 8 hours ago, tray said: IMO.. Vaughn is short, slow, cannot throw, and has no experience playing left field. He should never be out there. Leury makes sense until Engel retiurns. He has speed., a strong arm, and can track fly balls. When Eloy returns he is the starting LFer. Telling Eloy he is stupid and because of that he is now relegated to DH is the last thing he needs to hear right now. He wants to prove he can play LF and wants to start. Forcing him to do what he doesn't want to do (full time DHing) could have a ripple effect. He's a rookie. He's never going to say he doesn't want to do something. He will be happy to be in the majors and not screwed by service time manipulation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/30/2021 at 5:31 PM, Dominikk85 said: If yermin is on the roster you definitely have to DH him against LHP, you are not carrying him as a third catcher but as a DH/emergency catcher. That would mean that they are probably serious about trying Vaughn in LF. Once Engel comes back l think yermin gets send down, yermin is a better hitter than Engel but Engel is acceptable against LHP and provides a huge defensive upgrade over Vaughn in left. My take is that Vaughn will not often play LF when the Sox start a LHP. Mercedes has been scuffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 And now Andrew vaughn is not starting opening day. The idiocy of Tony la russa has already begun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: And now Andrew vaughn is not starting opening day. The idiocy of Tony la russa has already begun. Look, whenever you can make Leury Garcia your LF and #6 hitter, you do it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greydawgfan1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: And now Andrew vaughn is not starting opening day. The idiocy of Tony la russa has already begun. Jesus’s he’s smarter than you. Accept it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Greydawgfan1 said: Jesus’s he’s smarter than you. Accept it Yes, it's brilliant to have a guy on the team because he's so good you can't play service time games with him and risk losing games because of his lost value.... only to sit that player on the bench opening day. Brilliant stuff. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greydawgfan1 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, it's brilliant to have a guy on the team because he's so good you can't play service time games with him and risk losing games because of his lost value.... only to sit that player on the bench opening day. Brilliant stuff. Yep well if you or your opinions were valuable I’m sure you wouldn’t be complaining on an online forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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