Nice update on Kopech by James Fegan, hopefully it portends a long healthy dominant career once he’s able to start.

Rodon and Kopech, showing how it’s done healthy and unaided by “the sticky stuff”.

 

3 hours ago, TheTruth05 said:

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idk how but Rodon needs to be a White Sox next year and beyond

4 more years! Fuck all the bloody handwringing. You want guarantees go to Northern Ave and get you one!

holy crap

2 hours ago, black jack said:

They have the money and Jerry is more likely to spend on guys already in the organization.

Hopefully he accepts a qualifying offer and if he continues to ace it up, they extend him around All-Star 2022!  

Obviously he’s not going to leave tons of money on the table, but I can absolutely see Carlos giving the Sox a bit of a hometown discount given the faith they’ve put into him and how they’ve helped him reach his potential rather than giving up on him (as most/all of us did, admittedly).

I’d put it at less than a 50% chance he returns to the Sox, but I don’t think the likelihood is negligible either.

6 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Can you imagine being on the other side of Cease, Giolito, Rodon, Kopech, Hendriks? That is just not fair.  

It is the main reason that the Sox have the best record in the AL.

2 hours ago, BRDSR said:

Obviously he’s not going to leave tons of money on the table, but I can absolutely see Carlos giving the Sox a bit of a hometown discount given the faith they’ve put into him and how they’ve helped him reach his potential rather than giving up on him (as most/all of us did, admittedly).

I’d put it at less than a 50% chance he returns to the Sox, but I don’t think the likelihood is negligible either.

A return to the Sox would be likelier if Boras was not involved.

14 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

A return to the Sox would be likelier if Boras was not involved.

Or Jerry.

Suck my ass Astros!!!

High water mark in previous seasons (gms over .500)

I tried to find the latest point in the season for each year, but some years they hit their mark multiple times (for ex. 2005, they hit +36 again in Game 162 99-63)

2005:  +36 (Sept 7 / 87-51)

2006: +27 (July 6 / 56-29)

2007: +4 (May 25 / 24-20)

2008: +20 (Aug 26 / 76-56)

2009: +5 (July 31 / 50-45) 

2010: +17 (Sept 6 / 77-60)

2011: +3 (Aug 30 / 68-65)

2012: +16 (Aug 26 / 71-55)

2013: +2 (Apr 7 / 4-2)️

2014: +2 (Apt 15 / 8-6)️

2015: +1 (May 18 / 18-17) ️

2016: +13 (May 9 / 23-10)

2017: +4 (Apr 29 / 13-9)

2018: +2 (Mar 31 / 2-0)

2019: +0 (Jun 14 / 34-34)

2020: +16 (Sep 15 / 32-16)

2021: +20 (Jul 18 / 56-36)

So far, this has been the Sox best season since 2006

Edited July 19, 20214 yr by joesaiditstrue

6 hours ago, joesaiditstrue said:

High water mark in previous seasons (gms over .500?

I tried to find the latest point in the season for each year, but some years they hit their mark multiple times (for ex. 2005, they hit +36 again in Game 162 99-63)

2006: +27 (July 6 / 56-29)

This year jumped out at me, so I went back and looked at the final standings. Sox finished 90-72 (+18), so they were -9 from July 6 to the end of the season. If they had just been .500, they would have finished with 94 or 95 wins, which still would have either been one short of or tied with Detroit for the Wild Card. The AL Central had 3 teams with 90+ wins. No other division had more than one, and the entire National League only had one 90+ win team.

14 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

This year jumped out at me, so I went back and looked at the final standings. Sox finished 90-72 (+18), so they were -9 from July 6 to the end of the season. If they had just been .500, they would have finished with 94 or 95 wins, which still would have either been one short of or tied with Detroit for the Wild Card. The AL Central had 3 teams with 90+ wins. No other division had more than one, and the entire National League only had one 90+ win team.

2006 was a gut punch 

that was the year that gave me an eternal hatred for the Twins

Awesome statement series win against my new least favorite AL team.  Great way to start the second “half.”  Suck it, cheaters.

9 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

2006 was a gut punch 

that was the year that gave me an eternal hatred for the Twins

First half 2006 was probably best Sox ever.

When those innings caught up to the pitching staff thou…sigh

6 minutes ago, bmags said:

First half 2006 was probably best Sox ever.

When those innings caught up to the pitching staff thou…sigh

This. 

Also don't forget: Flamethrower Freddy- Intimidation has a new name. (86mph) 

Edited July 19, 20214 yr by Jack Parkman

14 hours ago, bmags said:

Had a lot of fun, crowd was a little more docile as is expected on family day - but as a dad with two young kids there often about to lose something people were so friendly. 
 

Add to that even from afar you could see Rodon dominate via the astros reactions

Baseball isn't like other sports where the better team wins 95% of the time, and it's been said on here, and really, if it isn't necessarily true , it should be true, even going to games when the Sox are bad should be enjoyable. But when they are good, it's so much better.

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

Baseball isn't like other sports where the better team wins 95% of the time, and it's been said on here, and really, if it isn't necessarily true , it should be true, even going to games when the Sox are bad should be enjoyable. But when they are good, it's so much better.

No doubt. 

3 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

This year jumped out at me, so I went back and looked at the final standings. Sox finished 90-72 (+18), so they were -9 from July 6 to the end of the season. If they had just been .500, they would have finished with 94 or 95 wins, which still would have either been one short of or tied with Detroit for the Wild Card. The AL Central had 3 teams with 90+ wins. No other division had more than one, and the entire National League only had one 90+ win team.

By the last decades rules, the Sox would have been a playoff team in 2006.

16 hours ago, bmags said:

Had a lot of fun, crowd was a little more docile as is expected on family day - but as a dad with two young kids there often about to lose something people were so friendly. 
 

Add to that even from afar you could see Rodon dominate via the astros reactions

My first game at Comiskey since 2019. Great atmosphere, reminded me a bit of 1977 in that everyone basked in the fun atmosphere and anticipated a Sox win.
 

Once Carlos got through the lineup the first time with barely a scratch, I knew Houston wouldn’t do much against him and it was only a matter of the Sox putting up a few runs to cushion against any possible bullpen letdowns. I think it is safe to say TA is back to being TA. I am encouraged by Moncada’s HR, as we need his power probably more than anyone’s until Eloy gets back and fully into his groove. It is very encouraging that the bench players like Mendick and Hamilton continue to make winning plays, which takes pressure off the big guys to have to constantly get it done. I’ve been saying it all season long, another professional win. Go Go Sox!

5 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

This year jumped out at me, so I went back and looked at the final standings. Sox finished 90-72 (+18), so they were -9 from July 6 to the end of the season. If they had just been .500, they would have finished with 94 or 95 wins, which still would have either been one short of or tied with Detroit for the Wild Card. The AL Central had 3 teams with 90+ wins. No other division had more than one, and the entire National League only had one 90+ win team.

Outside of 2005, Ozzie Guillen was overall a poor manager. Good managers are able to assess their team in the first half, and utilize their knowledge and best position their players for success in the second half. Ozzie's teams finished 64 games over .500 in the first half, and 3 games under .500 in the second half, during his tenure with the White Sox.

First Half / Second Half

• 2004: 43-38 / 40-41
• 2005: 55-26 / 44-37
• 2006: 53-28 / 37-44
• 2007: 36-45 / 36-45
• 2008: 45-36 / 44-38
• 2009: 42-39 / 37-44
• 2010: 43-38 / 45-36
• 2011: 39-42 / 39-40

Edited July 19, 20214 yr by South Side Hit Men
Edited to remove the two Don Cooper Managed Games, and 2012 (Robin Ventura)

2 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Outside of 2005, Ozzie Guillen was overall a poor manager. Good managers are able to assess their team in the first half, and utilize their knowledge and best position their players for success in the second half. Ozzie's teams finished 71 games over .500 in the first half, and 2 games under .500 in the second half, during his tenure with the White Sox.

First Half / Second Half

• 2004: 43-38 / 40-41
• 2005: 55-26 / 44-37
• 2006: 53-28 / 37-44
• 2007: 36-45 / 36-45
• 2008: 45-36 / 44-38
• 2009: 42-39 / 37-44
• 2010: 43-38 / 45-36
• 2011: 39-42 / 40-41
• 2012: 44-37 / 41-40

 

Sox relied on a lot of veterans during those years.  Wonder if simply being old and getting broken down and tired in the 2nd half played a role.  Those are some interesting splits.  

31 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Outside of 2005, Ozzie Guillen was overall a poor manager. Good managers are able to assess their team in the first half, and utilize their knowledge and best position their players for success in the second half. Ozzie's teams finished 64 games over .500 in the first half, and 3 games under .500 in the second half, during his tenure with the White Sox.

First Half / Second Half

• 2004: 43-38 / 40-41
• 2005: 55-26 / 44-37
• 2006: 53-28 / 37-44
• 2007: 36-45 / 36-45
• 2008: 45-36 / 44-38
• 2009: 42-39 / 37-44
• 2010: 43-38 / 45-36
• 2011: 39-42 / 39-40

im still mad about 2006

55 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Outside of 2005, Ozzie Guillen was overall a poor manager. Good managers are able to assess their team in the first half, and utilize their knowledge and best position their players for success in the second half. Ozzie's teams finished 64 games over .500 in the first half, and 3 games under .500 in the second half, during his tenure with the White Sox.

First Half / Second Half

• 2004: 43-38 / 40-41
• 2005: 55-26 / 44-37
• 2006: 53-28 / 37-44
• 2007: 36-45 / 36-45
• 2008: 45-36 / 44-38
• 2009: 42-39 / 37-44
• 2010: 43-38 / 45-36
• 2011: 39-42 / 39-40

I think you would need to look at who the teams played during the second half to make a definitive statement. In 3 out of the 8 years they had really good second halves and 2 others they were about .500 so it seems somewhat arbitrary.