On 12/20/2021 at 9:37 AM, Harold's Leg Lift said:

 If he wore different laundry it would be evidence that he sucks but he wears White Sox laundry so it gets explained away. 

The opposite is closer to the truth.
But really I think a lot of fans lack patience for young players if they are in a Sox uniform.  Vaughn is  the same player that he was when he was drafted.  If he's that limited, the Sox never should have drafted him in that position.
Trading him now would be "selling low" anyway.

 

Edited December 22, 20214 yr by GreenSox

20 hours ago, Sambuca said:

I am not saying he’s a good OF, but using his OF skills to diminish his value is not fair.  

He was drafted to be a 1B, was expected play 1B exclusively, and literally learned how to play OF on the fly, in his first season in MLB.  Not to mention, his time in the minors to hone his hitting craft was non-existent.  The fact that he had to learn how to hit MLB pitching, essentially skipping the minors, while playing a position nothing remotely close to the 1B tells me how much better he might been offensively last season if he could have just concentrated more on hitting.  Or you know, spent a full year in the minors above A ball, to concentrate on hitting.  It also tells me what kind of hitter he can become in the following seasons.  The fact that he’s a hard worker and seems to have decent baseball intelligence also bodes well.  I know this stuff has been repeated a lot in his defense, but it shouldn’t be understated.  

Three of the best hitters in White Sox history have been RH 1B/DH types.  If the guy can hit like many believe he can, no one will be complaining about his position or handedness. 

A lot of White Sox and fans of other teams are clamoring to give Castellanos contracts up to 5/100.  Castellanos realistically shouldn’t be classified any differently than a slow RH 1B/DH type.  And at age 23, posted a “pathetic” .721 OPS and 1.3 bWAR.  Vaughn is under control for the next 5 years for pennies.  Trading him and not getting another cost controlled elite talent that fills a hole (SP) is pointless, short sighted and will be a mistake.  Maybe trading him at all will be a mistake.

I just don’t agree at all that Vaughn’s rookie season revealed anything negative about the dude’s talent or value.  

Again, he’s not untouchable by any means, but the way some posters are just casually throwing his name around in trades just for the hell of it is odd.

And for Tray’s question, no, I would not trade him for Bellinger.  That’s silly.  

 

Can you imagine Frank or Paulie in the outfield?  Vaughn was fantastic under the circumstances.  He's a good athlete who can hit.  I have every faith that he will be a big bat in a year or two.  He is the heir apparent at 1st base.  We need a bit of patience until his time comes.

6 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Can you imagine Frank or Paulie in the outfield?  Vaughn was fantastic under the circumstances.  He's a good (decent/average) athlete who can hit.  I have every faith that he will be a big bat in a year or two.  He is the heir apparent at 1st base.  We need a bit of patience until his time comes.

 

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

 

Poppysox views everything with rose colored glasses. I love Vaughn, but he is not a good athlete, lol

On 12/20/2021 at 10:01 PM, Sambuca said:

I am not saying he’s a good OF, but using his OF skills to diminish his value is not fair.  

He was drafted to be a 1B, was expected play 1B exclusively, and literally learned how to play OF on the fly, in his first season in MLB.  Not to mention, his time in the minors to hone his hitting craft was non-existent.  The fact that he had to learn how to hit MLB pitching, essentially skipping the minors, while playing a position nothing remotely close to the 1B tells me how much better he might been offensively last season if he could have just concentrated more on hitting.  Or you know, spent a full year in the minors above A ball, to concentrate on hitting.  It also tells me what kind of hitter he can become in the following seasons.  The fact that he’s a hard worker and seems to have decent baseball intelligence also bodes well.  I know this stuff has been repeated a lot in his defense, but it shouldn’t be understated.  

Three of the best hitters in White Sox history have been RH 1B/DH types.  If the guy can hit like many believe he can, no one will be complaining about his position or handedness. 

A lot of White Sox and fans of other teams are clamoring to give Castellanos contracts up to 5/100.  Castellanos realistically shouldn’t be classified any differently than a slow RH 1B/DH type.  And at age 23, posted a “pathetic” .721 OPS and 1.3 bWAR.  Vaughn is under control for the next 5 years for pennies.  Trading him and not getting another cost controlled elite talent that fills a hole (SP) is pointless, short sighted and will be a mistake.  Maybe trading him at all will be a mistake.

I just don’t agree at all that Vaughn’s rookie season revealed anything negative about the dude’s talent or value.  

Again, he’s not untouchable by any means, but the way some posters are just casually throwing his name around in trades just for the hell of it is odd.

And for Tray’s question, no, I would not trade him for Bellinger.  That’s silly.  

 

Who laughed at this?

1 hour ago, Sambuca said:

Who laughed at this?

Who do you think?  Tray…

13 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Who do you think?  Tray…

An appropriate response to a post that called my comments silly.

And there you go again...

Edited December 22, 20214 yr by tray

On 12/20/2021 at 9:37 AM, Harold's Leg Lift said:

It's funny no one brings up the fact Vaughn was a 0.3 WAR player in 127 games.  If he wore different laundry it would be evidence that he sucks but he wears White Sox laundry so it gets explained away. The truth is he's a limited player.  He's a right handed hitting 1B.  He's a bad outfielder and just because he didn't end up like a  flounder in a net doesn't make him good.  He's slow, he gets bad jumps, takes poor routes and his arm is well below avg. He's a bat only player.  Now it's a really good bat but there are other players with really good bats who also provide positional value so proposing they trade Vaughn isn't some crazy off the wall suggestion and it's not like people didn't say this situation could occur when he was drafted. 

Its funny a guy with 245 minor league plate appearances in 2019 and a camp in 2020 is supposed to come to the major leagues in 2021 as a finished product, all the while playing out of position. The guy is going to be a great hitter. He showed it after a tough start. He ended poorly. It could have been an injury or it could be he hit a wall as he never played that many games in his life.

Edited December 22, 20214 yr by Dick Allen

1 hour ago, tray said:

An appropriate response to a post that called my comments silly.

And there you go again...

?  No idea what you’re getting mad about, it literally says your name next to the laugh emoji on his post.

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

?  No idea what you’re getting mad about, it literally says your name next to the laugh emoji on his post.

I didn’t even realize you can view each individual reaction like that. Thank you.  

18 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Who do you think?  Tray…

He’s silly.  

21 hours ago, ron883 said:

Poppysox views everything with rose colored glasses. I love Vaughn, but he is not a good athlete, lol

I don't remember being overly happy with the Kimbrel trade or the TL signing.

22 hours ago, Sambuca said:

I didn’t even realize you can view each individual reaction like that. Thank you.  

It's new.

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's new.

Now we have to be careful what we like.  The site police will ask you to defend your position on any and all subjects.

Removing the emoticon feature would not prevent non-responsive, juvenile (silly) posts.

17 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's new.

What is this new feature exactly?

On 12/18/2021 at 1:16 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Huh. The Dodgers. 

Is it at all possible he goes for Lux, like you have suggested? That seems too good to be true.

Edited December 24, 20214 yr by Bob Sacamano

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Is it at all possible he goes for Lux, like you have suggested? That seems too good to be true.

There's some smoke there.

12 minutes ago, oldsox said:

What is this new feature exactly?

You can see who liked your posts now.  ? 

36 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

There's some smoke there.

That would be great but I assume there would be some more pieces involved moving from each team?

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

You can see who liked your posts now.  ? 

I hate it. Ray Ray and hi8is are going to think I’m obsessed with them now. 

1 minute ago, Sox72 said:

I hate it. Ray Ray and hi8is are going to think I’m obsessed with them now. 

I pay no mind to notifications. ?

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/sources-mets-intend-to-make-jeff-mcneil-available-on-trading-block-after-lockout

15 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/sources-mets-intend-to-make-jeff-mcneil-available-on-trading-block-after-lockout

this is who I've wanted.

16 minutes ago, ShoeLessRob said:

https://www.si.com/mlb/mets/news/sources-mets-intend-to-make-jeff-mcneil-available-on-trading-block-after-lockout

Didn’t realize he was seen as having such character concerns… also seems like he’ll bring back more than we have to offer.

It also should be noted that this article is the best we’ve seen in the past 3 weeks… which says a lot.

This sucks.