Just now, ChiSox59 said:

Our 4th starter might be our best starter. His name is Kopech. Not sure why you keep referring to Keuchel as anything but the 5th SP. 

In reality our rotation should be broken down as 

1: Giotlito

2: Lance Lynn

3: Michael Kopech

4: Dylan Cease

5/6: ReyLo/Keuchel 

Whoever starts and whoever is the 6th man will be determined in ST.  If we somehow get another starter then it drops Keuchel off imo. 

 

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

But Keuchel makes $18M in the last year of his deal, so we’re not allowed to do anything but use him as our #4 starter next year despite rapidly declining stuff and horrible results last season. Let’s hope Hahn doesn’t accept mediocrity simply because he has a bad contract on his hands.

You haven't been following the Sox long enough. 

This exactly how it works. 

I'd be willing to bet out a Steak Dinner and Gibson's that outside of a miracle trade or injury, Keuchel will be in that starting rotation to start the season. 

Again, I don't want that.  But I'm also realistic. 

3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Our 4th starter might be our best starter. His name is Kopech. Not sure why you keep referring to Keuchel as anything but the 5th SP. 

Because Kopech is going to cap out at 140 innings or so.  Who do you expect to start game #4 in a playoff series?

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Right? Zzzzz. 

Yeah maybe the calm before the storm?

1 minute ago, Polar Bear said:

In reality our rotation should be broken down as 

1: Giotlito

2: Lance Lynn

3: Michael Kopech

4: Dylan Cease

5/6: ReyLo/Keuchel 

Whoever starts and whoever is the 6th man will be determined in ST.  If we somehow get another starter then it drops Keuchel off imo. 

Don’t come telling me “no one could have seen this coming” when two of those starters are down at the same time if nothing is added.

1 hour ago, maxjusttyped said:

I think his offensive ceiling is very high and he's an ideal fit for this lineup. But ultimately you can only have so many 1B/DH/corner OF types on one roster.

Yea I was thinking the same thing. I like Sheets, but if he can get marginal value at a need spot he's expendable. That said, I like him a lot. I think he can have some 3 WAR seasons as a DH type. He has a nice lefty stroke (and eye) and the shift ban is going to help him.

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m hoping, but we can’t bank on Kopech being able to be a starter come October, so by default it’s Keuchel at the moment.

But we can.  The team already said he is ready for a jump bc its not about innings but the intensity, magnitude, and stress put on the arm.  I assume we can expect easily 150 IP if he stays healthy and they manage him properly (Sox have problems with that so who knows).  Imo by October he will be our ACE but due to inexperience we will slot him 3rd. 

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Because Kopech is going to cap out at 140 innings or so.  Who do you expect to start game #4 in a playoff series?

Kopech. They’ll rest him throughout the year.

1 minute ago, maloney.adam said:

Yeah maybe the calm before the storm?

Enough political talk buddy.

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Don’t come telling me “no one could have seen this coming” when two of those starters are down at the same time if nothing is added.

Everyone has that problem.  Only Miami and MIL have pitchers beyond say 6 strong 

Just now, ChiSox59 said:

Kopech. They’ll rest him throughout the year.

I'd be shocked if he goes 140. Shit, regular guys healthy and vet don't even expect much more than 160 now. OU is somewhere around 115 imo. Maybe even 110.

1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

Don’t come telling me “no one could have seen this coming” when two of those starters are down at the same time if nothing is added.

OK but what's your plan then, go get two starters and store them in a refrigerator? 

You only have a 25 man roster to use here, you can't have a 7 man rotation. 

Ideally, Kuechel would take the Adam LaRoche route and problem solved.   

 

Just now, Polar Bear said:

Everyone has that problem.  Only Miami and MIL have pitchers beyond say 6 strong 

I think Chicago is perhaps in a position to not have that problem if they make a smart move or too though. Unique position. Hopefully they wait out Carlos and he comes back on a good deal because he likes it here. Him with another addition would be awesome. We could rest guys all the time.

Just now, chitownsportsfan said:

I'd be shocked if he goes 140. Shit, regular guys healthy and vet don't even expect much more than 160 now. OU is somewhere around 115 imo. Maybe even 110.

I’ll take the over. If it’s the under he got hurt. Kid gloves come off. We’ve already burned his most valuable seasons, unfortunately. It’s time. I’m fine with some maintenance time here and there during summer, but 110 innings is a joke if he’s healthy. 

2 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Enough political talk buddy.

Yes, this is not the place to talk that global warming shit.  ?

Just wanted to say how nice it is that we’re all talking about baseball again as opposed to lockout bullshit.

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

I’ll take the over. If it’s the under he got hurt. Kid gloves come off. We’ve already burned his most valuable seasons, unfortunately. It’s time. I’m fine with some maintenance time here and there during summer, but 110 innings is a joke if he’s healthy. 

I'm with ya, my expectations however are with what PTAC is saying. Just how it's done now.

Just now, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Just wanted to say how nice it is that we’re all talking about baseball again as opposed to lockout bullshit.

Yep. It still sucks in a mentally drained kind of way. But the excitement of the everyday is coming back. 

3 minutes ago, Polar Bear said:

But we can.  The team already said he is ready for a jump bc its not about innings but the intensity, magnitude, and stress put on the arm.  I assume we can expect easily 150 IP if he stays healthy and they manage him properly (Sox have problems with that so who knows).  Imo by October he will be our ACE but due to inexperience we will slot him 3rd. 

 

3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Kopech. They’ll rest him throughout the year.

You guys have significantly more faith in Tony than I do.  All it takes is one injury in the rotation and easing Kopech in will be near impossible, especially with less off days and more double headers.  I’d rather not gamble my post season chances on that.

6 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Enough political talk buddy.

That’s not what I was getting at. Their just needs to be one move that opens the floodgates. 

Edited March 11, 20224 yr by maloney.adam

4 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

OK but what's your plan then, go get two starters and store them in a refrigerator? 

You only have a 25 man roster to use here, you can't have a 7 man rotation. 

Ideally, Kuechel would take the Adam LaRoche route and problem solved.   

 

26 man roster and you can stash two long relievers in there, even if one is significantly overpaid.

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

 

You guys have significantly more faith in Tony than I do.  All it takes is one injury in the rotation and easing Kopech in will be near impossible, especially with less off days and more double headers.  I’d rather not gamble my post season chances on that.

Sale went from 71 innings to 192 in one season. 

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

 

You guys have significantly more faith in Tony than I do.  All it takes is one injury in the rotation and easing Kopech in will be near impossible, especially with less off days and more double headers.  I’d rather not gamble my post season chances on that.

You’re 100% right here, there’s what 4 scheduled double headers now? That did make pitching depth doubly important.

29 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I can’t believe people are actually ok with this guy as our #4 starter next year:

 

I sure as hell am not.  He was toast last year and I don't see much changing if he is still in the rotation.