Tnetennba Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, ptatc said: It isn't worth 5/100 for a platoon player. What is the actual breakdown of RH vs LH pitchers a team faces? 70/30 RH vs LH? So Conforto struggles against 30% of the pitching he faces. The rest of the lineup struggles against that 70%. He's also not a complete black hole in the field and doesn't kill Luis Robert. And he's sitting out there in FA waiting to be signed. It just costs money and they can structure a contract that doesn't kill their precious future flexibility. I know I'm not basing this directly off advanced stats, but its also not rocket science. Reducing him to a platoon player is hyperbole IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: You got in before my edit, but 27% is the league high % spent on RPs. Even without Kimbrel, the theoretical 19.7% is the highest in MLB. The other thing that you're willfully ignoring is that none of the recent signees are multi-inning types that can substantially lighten the load on the starting rotation. So even the makeup of the pen is questionable, unless you trust and believe in Lopez. And thats even before you consider how TLR & Katz USE their BP. Last season, Sox Relievers pitched the fewest IP in MLB. you put this edit in after I replied. I wholeheatredly agree they overworked the starters coming off the previous year. I hope Katz learned his lesson and changes it. A positive sign is that he changed it at the end of the season but it was too late by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said: not for $100M you don't How much is a longer playoff run worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: OK, look, there are reasons to not want Conforto. His 2021 could well be a redflag to start with. But because he doesn't hit great against lefties? I mean have you see the rest of this roster? There is literally everyone else on this roster who can hit against lefties. We would be fine. How many make $20M+per year.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: What is the actual breakdown of RH vs LH pitchers a team faces? 70/30 RH vs LH? So Conforto struggles against 30% of the pitching he faces. The rest of the lineup struggles against that 70%. He's also not a complete black hole in the field and doesn't kill Luis Robert. And he's sitting out there in FA waiting to be signed. It just costs money and they can structure a contract that doesn't kill their precious future flexibility. I know I'm not basing this directly off advanced stats, but its also not rocket science. Reducing him to a platoon player is hyperbole IMO. That was just in response to the person that said they could platoon him with those splits. Not that he should platoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ptatc said: That was just in response to the person that said they could platoon him with those splits. Not that he should platoon. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, bmags said: So here's what an actual platoon bat looks like are when discussing real players Joc Pederson, famous Platoon Bat (all career numbers) Vs. RHP - 123 wRC+ Vs. LHP - 68 wRC+ (25% worse than Conforto's weakside platoon) Theres a guy that a lot wanted here during the playoffs that had a similar career line. Nobody called him a platoon bat. Vs. RHP - 130 wRC+ Vs. LHP - 91 wRC+ (Conforto is 136/94) 2021 Joc hit .265 2ith 17 RBI's against LHP Conforto hit .200 with 6 RBI's against LHP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: How many make $20M+per year.... It's the cost of quality free agents. It's where the Sox should be spending their money instead of over paid RPs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: 2021 Joc hit .265 2ith 17 RBI's against LHP Conforto hit .200 with 6 RBI's against LHP And one down year is indicative of all future success or lack thereof? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Tnetennba said: It's the cost of quality free agents. It's where the Sox should be spending their money instead of over paid RPs. I agree it is. Go pay Castellanos that, go pay Freeman that, go pay Schwarber that, go pay Story that and move Timmy to 2B. Plenty of people we should have gotten/gone after but didn't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: How many make $20M+per year.... Joey Votto says hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: 2021 Joc hit .265 2ith 17 RBI's against LHP Conforto hit .200 with 6 RBI's against LHP You're not paying these guys to hit left handed pitchers. There's 7 other guys in this lineup that absolutely mash lefties. I'm not sure why some people are getting so hung up on this. FWIW, the 2021 NL MVP Bryce Harper hit .257 against lefties last year. Is he also a platoon bat? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: not my money; all I care about is the Sox winning games and championships. I'd sign him for 100 million of jerry's money tomorrow and the next day. guy has gotten filthy rich enough off support from people like myself. Yeah yeah we've been down this before but then you b**** and moan about a 1 year $5M deal for a plug in 2B, so who you crappin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: What is the actual breakdown of RH vs LH pitchers a team faces? 70/30 RH vs LH? So Conforto struggles against 30% of the pitching he faces. The rest of the lineup struggles against that 70%. He's also not a complete black hole in the field and doesn't kill Luis Robert. And he's sitting out there in FA waiting to be signed. It just costs money and they can structure a contract that doesn't kill their precious future flexibility. I know I'm not basing this directly off advanced stats, but its also not rocket science. Reducing him to a platoon player is hyperbole IMO. I gave you a like because you are right. I just wish the same logic applied to Sheets. I mean I get it, no pedigree, small sample size of AB's, can't play the OF all in Conforto's favor which is why I want him. But I also want Sheets to get a lot of AB's because our 2 other SH lefties are more about OBP and getting injured (Grandal) and another quality LH power hitter in the lineup would be a lot better than just Conforto to become just as dominant as the Sox are against left handed pitching . Like you said, if the breakdown of pitchers is 70% righthanded ,being a strong LH lineup will result in more wins than a predominantly RH lineup facing only 30% of pitchers. Edited March 18, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: 2021 Joc hit .265 2ith 17 RBI's against LHP Conforto hit .200 with 6 RBI's against LHP Yes he had a conspicuously terrible June-July that happened to coincide with a hamstring injury where he hit negative-6 wRC+ vs LHP. surrounding that, he was at 93 wRC+ in March-May and after that he was at 124 wRC+ vs LHP So that's why larger sample sizes help. But if you'd rather Joc Pederson because he's a complete player that will help us win the championship and you can use those cost savings toward more bullpen pitchers, go right ahead. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Anyway my blind example was noted platoon player Michael Brantley. He did not make 20 mill a year, but he also had an extensive injury history and plays a worse outfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said: Yeah yeah we've been down this before but then you b**** and moan about a 1 year $5M deal for a plug in 2B, so who you crappin? I wouldn't have signed josh Harrison with $5 of your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Capn12 said: Joey Votto says hi. When did he get traded to the Sox? Also 100 RBI's and almost 40 HR. Yeah thats worth $20M+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I wouldn't have signed josh Harrison with $5 of your money. We're a miserable bunch aren't we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, chw42 said: You're not paying these guys to hit left handed pitchers. There's 7 other guys in this lineup that absolutely mash lefties. I'm not sure why some people are getting so hung up on this. FWIW, the 2021 NL MVP Bryce Harper hit .257 against lefties last year. Is he also a platoon bat? He hit for a better AVG against lefties than Conforto did vs righties, you are proving my point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Polar Bear said: When did he get traded to the Sox? Also 100 RBI's and almost 40 HR. Yeah thats worth $20M+ What if I told you that Joey Votto has a lower OPS against lefties than Conforto does over the past 3 years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, chw42 said: What if I told you that Joey Votto has a lower OPS against lefties than Conforto does over the past 3 years? Facts that poke holes in hot takes don't matter. Come on now.😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: He hit for a better AVG against lefties than Conforto did vs righties, you are proving my point.... That just means that he's better vs. righties than he is lefties. So that's a platoon bat, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said: We're a miserable bunch aren't we? Until something meaningful and legitimately positive happens this is pretty much how it's gonna be. Blame the team, not the posters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, chw42 said: What if I told you that Joey Votto has a lower OPS against lefties than Conforto does over the past 3 years? Meaningless to me. Votto has been downhill since like his age 33 season and is on his massive contract still. Its like saying that when Soto hits 40. Who cares about someone getting paid huge at the end of their career on a long term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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