If you strip out the Kimbrel contract, the White Sox would be 8th in MLB

 

LAD, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, SD (all over $200 million)

7) LA Angels $183

? White Sox $173

9) Atlanta $170.4

10) Houston $169

11) Toronto $165

12) SFG $152.2

13) StL $151

14) Texas $137 million

 

17) Milwaukee Brewers  $129.3

25) TB Rays $81.4 (but won 100 games and two consecutive AL EAST titles somehow)

28) Indians $51.6

3 hours ago, JoeC said:

 

Low-cost move that solidifies the OF. Doesn't make us worse, but definitely doesn't change the fact that RF still a huge need.

As a younger man, I would choose to believe in the upside of aquisitions sich as this. Experience makes you wiser. Basically, if this ends up as the end of the White Sox pursuit for a right fielder,, disapointing. I expect us to be buying at the deadline (if the Sox are even willing ffs)

5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

We’ll see how good his defense is with a 47% falloff in speed from two seasons ago…we usually don’t “coach up” players unless it’s getting surprising offense at catcher from the likes of Narvaez and McCann.

Likely will still be much better than Eloy, Sheets and Andrew.

47%?  That means he now runs slower than Paul Konerko.

Anyway, I'm glad for the trade, but will be surprised if he ever played better than Adam Engel just because the Phillies gave up for a minor league  reliever that maxed out his physical profile at 24YO. As previously stated, the Sox have to keep at this.

7 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

47%?  That means he now runs slower than Paul Konerko.

Anyway, I'm glad for the trade, but will be surprised if he ever played better than Adam Engel just because the Phillies gave up for a minor league  reliever that maxed out his physical profile at 24YO. As previously stated, the Sox have to keep at this.

Well, as stated by a few others, he had two injuries that would theoretically explain his sprint speed fall-off.

Hopefully they're healed now.

I would guess they're going to trust the pedigree of a LH hitting former Top 10 draft pick over Adolfo...it's actually quite an interesting decision in terms of playing time for those two particular players, upside/potential vs. expected current level of production.

 

"I think they did not want to DFA him for "confidence" reasons.

 

I am guessing whatever the issues were last year he has not quite recovered from, at least in terms of hitting. And this way it is a trade, rather than DFA, and they can point out the real positives of the lottery tickey guy coming back (he does have a good fastball and he was part of AFL last year) and Hase also will get a real chance to make the roster in CHI. Win, win, win, (PHI/CHI/Hase), with the exception of the sunk cost of another essentially-failed first rounder.

 

It's also true that Joe G never seemed to think much of Hase, even before last year.

 

Good news is that Moniak is looking better. And I'm guessing that part of the reason for the trade is that Muzziotti is looking better, too."

 

 

https://www.thegoodphight.com/2022/3/29/23001484/phillies-send-adam-haseley-to-chicago#comments

 

This article has a string of about 80 comments about the Haseley trade, but it digressed into the bullpen and Aaron Nola's expected level of effectiveness as well.

Edited March 30, 20224 yr by caulfield12

From the comments:

“And Haseley currently ranks 3rd in WAR from the 2017 first round. Take that what you will”

 

?

 

3 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

If you strip out the Kimbrel contract, the White Sox would be 8th in MLB

 

LAD, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, SD (all over $200 million)

7) LA Angels $183

? White Sox $173

9) Atlanta $170.4

10) Houston $169

11) Toronto $165

12) SFG $152.2

13) StL $151

14) Texas $137 million

 

17) Milwaukee Brewers  $129.3

25) TB Rays $81.4 (but won 100 games and two consecutive AL EAST titles somehow)

28) Indians $51.6

But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th.

This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post.

17 minutes ago, Quin said:

But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th.

This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post.

Except Kimbrel is more like Elvis Grbac, Trent Green or Alex Smith.

Edited March 30, 20224 yr by caulfield12

46 minutes ago, Quin said:

But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th.

This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post.

Except Kimbrel is more like Elvis Grbac, Trent Green or Alex Smith on this roster.  We needed Tyreek Hill with that money, not MVS or JJS.

Edited March 30, 20224 yr by caulfield12

Let’s just all send Hahn, Williams, and LaRusa thank you cards on opening day remembering how they picked up the option for Kimbrel.

Yay.

What a freaking joke. 

26 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Let’s just all send Hahn, Williams, and LaRusa thank you cards on opening day remembering how they picked up the option for Kimbrel.

Yay.

They'd probably make the mistake of believing they were legitimately sincere...at least TLR would.

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

They'd probably make the mistake of believing they were legitimately sincere...at least TLR would.

Very true.

1 hour ago, Quin said:

But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th.

This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post.

I think Mahomes has only had 1 or 2 bad games in his career.

Is Haseley still eligible for Rookie of the Year?  It would be awesome if we had ROY (Haseley), MVP (Robert) and Cy Young (Keuchel).   That would be a nice exclamation point to the World Series tittle!

20 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said:

Is Haseley still eligible for Rookie of the Year?  It would be awesome if we had ROY (Haseley), MVP (Robert) and Cy Young (Keuchel).   That would be a nice exclamation point to the World Series tittle!

Nope, disqualified by plate appearances a long time ago.  Have to root for Adolfo, Burger, etc.

Just stashing this here.

If you took a straight Sheets/Vaughn platoon, here were their combined numbers against opposite handed pitchers.

301 PA, 265 ABs, 70 hits, 33 1Bs, 18 2Bs, 0 3Bs, 19 HRs, .265 BA, .354 OBP, 552 SLG, 906 OPS

Projected to 500 PAs, assuming they balanced out with the pitching matchups.  (They are close enough in their numbers that it's a reasonable extrapolation.)

500 PAs, 440, ABs, 117 hits, 55 1Bs, 30 2Bs, 0 3Bs, 32 HRs, .265 BA, .354 OBP, .552 SLG, 906 OPS.

Where would that rank on the team?

OPS - 3rd.  Behind Robert and Grandal
SLG - 2nd - Behind Robert 
OBP - 4th - Behind Grandal, Robert, Moncada.  Just ahead of Abreu.
HR - 1st - ahead of Abreu

Granted, Vaughn/Sheets are better at DH or 1B, but given this production, if Grandal is DHing or playing first when he can't catch, then either Sheets or Vaughn also need to be in the lineup, and they aren't putting Abreu or Jimenez on the bench.  RF is where they need to play.  

 

It's funny.  People see the obvious loss of production and development when you put Crochet into a limited role and limit his innings and growth, but want to do the exact same thing to a guy with just as high of a ceiling in Andrew Vaughn by turning him into a weakside platoon hitter.  Andrew Vaughn should have 500 ABs by himself this year.  Period.  End of story.

10 hours ago, ron883 said:

What a freaking joke. 

This is exactly the kind of low rent move we now expect of this organization, not a power move for a team looking to fill a critical gap on a team competing for a championship. Beyond a freaking joke, it's embarrassing 

35 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's funny.  People see the obvious loss of production and development when you put Crochet into a limited role and limit his innings and growth, but want to do the exact same thing to a guy with just as high of a ceiling in Andrew Vaughn by turning him into a weakside platoon hitter.  Andrew Vaughn should have 500 ABs by himself this year.  Period.  End of story.

Exactly. Vaughn should not be part of any platoon.  Vaughn can play RF against RHP, with Sheets as the DH.  When we face a LHP, Vaughn can be the DH (or LF, with Eloy DH sometimes) and Engel can play RF.

11 hours ago, Quin said:

But he's still on the roster, which means the White Sox are currently 7th.

This is like the "if you remove Patrick Mahomes amazing games, he's an average QB" post.

When Kenneth Walker dominated MIchigan this year (197 yards and 5 TDs), there were actual Michigan fans saying that if you took away some of Walker's big runs, you would see that they actually held him in check.

41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's funny.  People see the obvious loss of production and development when you put Crochet into a limited role and limit his innings and growth, but want to do the exact same thing to a guy with just as high of a ceiling in Andrew Vaughn by turning him into a weakside platoon hitter.  Andrew Vaughn should have 500 ABs by himself this year.  Period.  End of story.

Anyone who wants(ed) to turn AV into a weakside platoon hitter so that Gavin Sheets can get at bats is coocoo.  That being said, since the Sox cheaped out and didn't sign a real RF, they both get can everyday at bats. AV should be in the lineup nearly everyday.   Sheets will DH against RHP.  Engel can play RF against LHP and AV DH (or play LF and Eloy DH).  Based on the current roster, AV will only be sitting in favor of Leury in RF really. Which I am sure TLR will do more than we'd all like. 

The only positive I can really glean from the Sox not signing Conforto is the fact that TLR can't really get in the way of himself very easily with respect to sitting Vaughn more than he should. 

10 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

I think Mahomes has only had 1 or 2 bad games in his career.

Give it a read. All time dumb sports take.

3 minutes ago, Quin said:

Give it a read. All time dumb sports take.

So if you take away his ability to do things that other QBs can't,  he is just a normal QB? He considers that unsustainable. 

Is that his point?

7 minutes ago, ptatc said:

So if you take away his ability to do things that other QBs can't,  he is just a normal QB? He considers that unsustainable. 

Is that his point?

Yes.

The post is r/NFL's equivalent of Tim Anderson at catcher. It has become heavily memed.