16 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

As was said earlier, there is correlation between extreme performance in the spring and regular season performance. Moncada's spring has been extreme....and not in a good way. 

correlation =/= causation. 

it could be some guys who perform really poorly in spring are hurt, but the guys that aren't hurt have no barring. jack, watching spring training and caring about results is just a terrible thing to do given how many years you've been following this closely.

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I don't expect Moncada to win an MVP with how he's trending...it's simply that expectations were so high when he signed with Boston and rise to the #1 prospect in the sport.  Devers was a bit under the radar, comparatively.

That said, it took another #1 in Buxton years and years to get his swing and health to this point.

and Devers and Moncada value on a rate basis was nearly identical last year... 

 

6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Including today

38 PA

4 H (all 1B)

1 BB

15 K

 

This is more than just a bad spring. 

lol know it's not. that's literally exactly what it is, "a bad spring."

 

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

and Devers and Moncada value on a rate basis was nearly identical last year... 

 

lol know it's not. that's literally exactly what it is, "a bad spring."

 

Like I said, Jack is in mid-season form.

I still am dumbfounded how anyone who has followed baseball for more than a week draws any conclusions from spring training.

Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats.

Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year. 

Just now, GermanSoxFan said:

I still am dumbfounded how anyone who has followed baseball for more than a week draws any conclusions from spring training.

Extreme outliers tend to stick. That's the point I'm making. 

1 minute ago, GermanSoxFan said:

I still am dumbfounded how anyone who has followed baseball for more than a week draws any conclusions from spring training.

You didn’t hear? We missed the Spring Training playoffs. We stink!

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

Extreme outliers tend to stick. That's the point I'm making. 

Jack, at times you're the king of someone who completely misuses almost any statistic they find.

You are not making any point tho, it’s just the same tired sky is falling bs.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats.

Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year. 

 

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Extreme outliers tend to stick. That's the point I'm making. 

Back to back even. Bravo.

15 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Including today

38 PA

4 H (all 1B)

1 BB

15 K

 

This is more than just a bad spring. 

The only thing that means anything here is 38 PAs. It’s barely a bad weeks worth of at bats. 

Edited April 4, 20224 yr by mqr

9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Moncada doesn’t care about spring training though and isn’t putting forth full effort

You can use the same excuse for Sousa and Henzman.  No excuse for Moncada to look this bad.

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Jack, at times you're the king of someone who completely misuses almost any statistic they find.

 

Just now, oldsox said:

You can use the same excuse for Sousa and Henzman.  No excuse for Moncada to look this bad.

no you can’t, they are fighting for a job, moncada obviously isn’t.

Like watching your kid shit his pants during the school play. 

Something called Xavier Fernandez just hit a bomb

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Kevin Newman hit 606 last spring with a 1429 OPS in 33 at bats.

Kevin Newman had a .574 OPS in 517 at bats in the regular season for the Pirates last year. 

Member Joc Pederson

And Mendick goes back to back

27 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

I'm the one who said that, but I think his 3 year track record of being very good and still being in his prime carries a lot more weight than 30 ST PA's or whatever.

He is very good, and still has that defense. I don’t ever see MVP for him as some might have hoped though. It goes to show ceilings are as much about if as they are about when.

4 minutes ago, oldsox said:

You can use the same excuse for Sousa and Henzman.  No excuse for Moncada to look this bad.

Of course there is…these games don’t matter

4 minutes ago, SpringfieldFan said:

He is very good, and still has that defense. I don’t ever see MVP for him as some might have hoped though. It goes to show ceilings are as much about if as they are about when.

I’d be pretty content if Moncada more or less stays at this level for the remainder of his time here

(I of course mean 4-5 win player)

Edited April 4, 20224 yr by mqr

1 minute ago, mqr said:

I’d be pretty content if Moncada more or less stays at this level for the remainder of his time here

If Moncada puts up 4-5 fWAR for the next 3 years nobody is complaining. 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

If Moncada puts up 4-5 fWAR for the next 3 years nobody is complaining. 

I've heard a fair number of poeple complaining while he did that last year right?

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I've heard a fair number of poeple complaining while he did that last year right?

lmao right

that and people complaining about him being a pussy or whatever when he’s never played less than 80% of the teams games since coming up. I do not get it. 

Edited April 4, 20224 yr by mqr

Just now, Balta1701 said:

I've heard a fair number of poeple complaining while he did that last year right?

And I defended him. 

This is the thing: he was the centerpiece of the Sale trade and the #1 prospect in baseball at one time. People expected superstar and they got very good.

When Superstar is the expectation, very good is disappointing to some.