June 10, 20223 yr Front page on espn.com Was Tony La Russa's intentional walk of Trea Turner the worst in MLB history? A ranking https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34070350/was-tony-la-russa-intentional-walk-trea-turner-worst-mlb-history-ranking
June 10, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Big Hurtin said: Front page on espn.com Was Tony La Russa's intentional walk of Trea Turner the worst in MLB history? A ranking https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34070350/was-tony-la-russa-intentional-walk-trea-turner-worst-mlb-history-ranking Turns out an intentional walk on a 1-2 count has only happened twice before since 2014. And both times it also blew up in the manager's face. Edited June 10, 20223 yr by chw42
June 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TheBooneLoganEra said: Not to get off the Sheets demotion but mlb network has been torching the White Sox all day for that walk yesterday......so there's that. There are tons all over the internet besides the MLB network, which of course they are! Here are just a few comments regarding the smartest man in the room at all times! The Sporting News - Edward Sutelan - Tony LaRussa's decision to walk Trea Turner baffles everyone: 'He had two strikes, Tony' USA Today Sports - Blake Schuster - If you wanted to make an argument that White Sox manager Tony LaRussa is doing his best to get fired, then you wouldn't need much more evidence than Thursday afternoon. FanGraphs - Ben Clemens - "The math unsurprisingly does not support Tony LaRussa's decision to intentionally walk Tre Turner.
June 10, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, greg775 said: Are we allowed to comment on posts like this? I think I'll pass or once again I'll be responsible for shutting down a thread eventually. I'll just say if Tony gets replaced and they go with a Sox guy, to pick AJP over Ozzie would be really really baseball dumb. Yes, greg the victim, you have permission to comment.
June 10, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: What would selling high have looked like? Back-end SP? 2nd or 3rd piece in a deal.
June 10, 20223 yr Makes me wonder if Hahn and Tony have some sort of conversation post game as in "Gee Tony is there a reason you did what you did?" APply this to many circumstances. Or does Hahm or KW just let it slide?
June 10, 20223 yr Can we start getting some chants at games? Maybe a "Fire Tony" or something to make the broadcasts awkward? Something to force public shaming?
June 10, 20223 yr What an absurd overreaction by some fans to the intentional walk to Trea Turner with 2 strikes on him Oh, less than 24 hours\ earlier..OK with one strike... Trea Turner laser home run
June 10, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, tray said: What an absurd overreaction by some fans to the intentional walk to Trea Turner with 2 strikes on him Oh, less than 24 hours\ earlier..OK with one strike... Trea Turner laser home run Your need to defend La Russa at all costs is truly odd. Edited June 10, 20223 yr by Chicago White Sox
June 10, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, tray said: What an absurd overreaction by some fans to the intentional walk to Trea Turner with 2 strikes on him Oh, less than 24 hours\ earlier..OK with one strike... Trea Turner laser home run You might be the only person in the contiguous 50 states still standing up for him.
June 10, 20223 yr I’ve said so many times, but the worst managers are the ones who actually love inserting themselves into games:
June 10, 20223 yr The responses to my above post which show what Trea Turner did the previous evening are not surprising given the level of personal animosity shown here. I just cited fact - Trea Turner blasted a HR against us less than 24 hours earlier...one that salted that game away. So TLR decides to pitch to him and Trea goes deep..AGAIN, ..with the Max Muncy on deck. Tell me that fan reaction by TLR detractors would be any different. It wouldn't. I sense hatred by some fans. Is that what this is because it sure doesn't seem like normal baseball fandom to me. Edited June 10, 20223 yr by tray
June 10, 20223 yr Just now, Chicago White Sox said: I’ve said so many times, but the worst managers are the ones who actually love inserting themselves into games: Good judgment is a result of experience. Experience is a result of bad judgment. So when do we see a benefit from those six decades around the game?
June 10, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, tray said: The responses to my above post which show what Trea Turner did the previous evening are not surprising given the level of personal animosity shown here. I just cited fact - Trea Turner blasted a HR against us less than 24 hours earlier...one that salted that game away. So TLR decides to pitch to him and Trea goes deep....with the Max Muncy on deck. Tell me that fan reaction by TLR detractors would be any different. It wouldn't. I sense hatred by some fans. Is that what this is because it sure doesn't seem like normal baseball fandom to me. It was entirely because of the fact it has happened only three times in modern baseball history that there was an intentional walk after an 0-2/1-2 count. More batters have been walked intentionally with the bases loaded to force in a run, including Maddon most famously and the Barry Bonds in 1998 one. The same manager in Maddon who's recently unemployed. Edited June 10, 20223 yr by caulfield12
June 10, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’ve said so many times, but the worst managers are the ones who actually love inserting themselves into games: Yep, just put the lineup out there and make them play. Pitch hitters, pulling pitchers, it's all about making the manager part of the game.
June 10, 20223 yr Just now, Texsox said: Yep, just put the lineup out there and make them play. Pitch hitters, pulling pitchers, it's all about making the manager part of the game. We use PHers? Less than any team in baseball.
June 10, 20223 yr Trea hit one on a 1-1 count. the night before against a RH pitcher. . You think he hasn't hit one on 1-2 against a weak LH pitcher. Again, if TLR let Trea hit and he put another laser in the stands, the reaction by some fans and media would likewise be over the top batsh1t crazy. This is all about nothing at the end of the day. Edited June 10, 20223 yr by tray
June 10, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, tray said: Trea hit one on a 1-1 count. the night before against a RH pitcher. . You think he hasn't hit one on 1-2 against a weak LH pitcher. Again, if TLR let Trea hit and he put another laser in the stands, the reaction by some fans and media would likewise be over the top batsh1t crazy. This is all about nothing at the end of the day. If that was the case, there wouldn’t already be about 1,000 articles and social media posts about it. It’s not like the team’s play is particularly compelling without TA7 and Luis Robert slumping.
June 11, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, tray said: Trea hit one on a 1-1 count. the night before against a RH pitcher. . You think he hasn't hit one on 1-2 against a weak LH pitcher. Again, if TLR let Trea hit and he put another laser in the stands, the reaction by some fans and media would likewise be over the top batsh1t crazy. This is all about nothing at the end of the day. Well, yeah. It’s just a game. People enjoy talking about bizarre strategy choices in a game. It’s a weird choice, kinda fascinating. If everything else was clicking on all cylinders, people would still find it fascinating. Given the spectacle de merde that this season has been, people have understandably added some emotion to their fascination.
June 11, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Yes, greg the victim, you have permission to comment. If we’re casting votes, I agree - let Greg comment.
June 11, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, Texsox said: Yep, just put the lineup out there and make them play. Pitch hitters, pulling pitchers, it's all about making the manager part of the game. I really like you Tex but it’s unfortunate you constantly feel the need to play contrarian.
June 11, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said: There are tons all over the internet besides the MLB network, which of course they are! Here are just a few comments regarding the smartest man in the room at all times! The Sporting News - Edward Sutelan - Tony LaRussa's decision to walk Trea Turner baffles everyone: 'He had two strikes, Tony' USA Today Sports - Blake Schuster - If you wanted to make an argument that White Sox manager Tony LaRussa is doing his best to get fired, then you wouldn't need much more evidence than Thursday afternoon. FanGraphs - Ben Clemens - "The math unsurprisingly does not support Tony LaRussa's decision to intentionally walk Tre Turner. Ben's article shows that the odds to win the game actually moved slightly in the Sox favor after the walk. It wasn't much but I found it surprising.
June 11, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I really like you Tex but it’s unfortunate you constantly feel the need to play contrarian. Thank you. Let me explain my reasoning. Managers are constantly making decisions. Are you against teams positioning players? Shifts? Steal? Hit and run? Pitch hitters? Pitch runners? Relief pitchers? I think the very role of a manager injects them into games and they have to embrace making those decisions. He's wrong about a lot of stuff but managers needing to make decisions isn't one of them.
June 11, 20223 yr Tony needs to answer questions on team record if he wants to be so smug when challenged.
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