caulfield12 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) https://champsorchumps.us/records/most-mlb-wins-since-2000 15th and just a handful of games under the .500 mark for the 21st century. Since the beginning of 2020, 12th in the majors during their overpromised and under delivered World Series window. Dodgers (.669, averaging a series win every time out), TB, Houston, Atlanta and NYY Top Five for the Covid years. Edited May 27, 2023 by caulfield12 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/most-wins-by-an-mlb-team-since-2010 21st from 2010-2023 For the entire Hahn regime that put them around 22nd or 23rd...2010/2011 the last two KW regime years. 2010's 88-74 and then the following season's 79-83 got KW promoted to the front office... well, Adam Dunn fallout, Ozzie and Buehrle splitting, etc. Edited May 27, 2023 by caulfield12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Since the start of the 2007 season they have had only five winning years. One of those was a pandemic shortened 60 game season. We shouldn't be surprised. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division. If the Tigers had a healthy Mize, Skubal and Matt Manning they might actually be current favorites despite the putrid lineup. Or had they freed up Miggy's money to spend on something more than a retirement tour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) I miss the Go Go Sox years so much, from 1951 through 1967 the Sox were 380 games over .500. The W-L record was 1499-1119 for a .573 winning percentage. I did the homework awhile back and the only teams IIRC that won more games in those years were the Yankees and Dodgers. Edited May 27, 2023 by The Mighty Mite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Wonder if Rick has a participation trophy in his office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 43 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division. I can’t take any joy from that. An unlikable team winning a crappy division. I’ve already tuned them out and that would not interest me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, FloydBannister1983 said: I can’t take any joy from that. An unlikable team winning a crappy division. I’ve already tuned them out and that would not interest me. And it would reinforce Jerry to do nothing next off-season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said: I can’t take any joy from that. An unlikable team winning a crappy division. I’ve already tuned them out and that would not interest me. The 1973 mediocre Mets won 82 games, won the Division, won the playoff series and almost won the WS losing to the A’s in 7 games, right now I’d take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: And it would reinforce Jerry to do nothing next off-season. How did the fans paying attention make any difference? I notice no Harper, no Machado, no Wheeler on the roster. The Crown Jewels of fans not tuning them out has turned out to be Grandal and Benitendi. ”You’re welcome.” - Jerry Reinsdorf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: The 1973 mediocre Mets won 82 games, won the Division, won the playoff series and almost won the WS losing to the A’s in 7 games, right now I’d take that. I didn’t say it’s not possible. I just would take no joy from it. There is only one likable player on the team (Burger) and he will be hurt by season’s end. (Of course it is close to impossible as they will be sellers at the trade deadline.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said: How did the fans paying attention make any difference? I notice no Harper, no Machado, no Wheeler on the roster. The Crown Jewels of fans not tuning them out has turned out to be Grandal and Benitendi. ”You’re welcome.” - Jerry Reinsdorf. Two of the most generic second tier veterans that would draw blank stares if you asked random MLB fans the two biggest deals in White Sox franchise history? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: The 1973 mediocre Mets won 82 games, won the Division, won the playoff series and almost won the WS losing to the A’s in 7 games, right now I’d take that. The Phillies went to the 2022 World Series. They got hot in the playoffs and wound up in the World Series. I don't know anybody who thought they had the best team in the NL. I would be happy to see the White Sox in the 2023 playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: And it would reinforce Jerry to do nothing next off-season. Exactly. We'd get Hahn smugly deciding to talk to the media and basically say 'told you so.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Independent Unrestricted Minor League Baseball plus Relegation and Promotion needed in North American Professional Baseball now more than ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 29% chance of winning games league wide without home ring as a team. Not exactly the greatest of odds there for the Guardians, with only 30 on the season. https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/table/batting/sort/homeRuns/dir/asc Four of bottom 11 in the majors AL Central. White Sox now 20th. Quite strange to not see Houston (Abreu) and Philly up there. Edited May 27, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division. Only if they can rattle off 8-10 wins in a row at some point. That losing streak was quite disconcerting (edit fix) and not conducive to making the postseason. Thanks Pedro for your work during that skid. Edited May 28, 2023 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: 29% chance of winning games league wide without home ring as a team. Not exactly the greatest of odds there for the Guardians, with only 30 on the season. https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/table/batting/sort/homeRuns/dir/asc Four of bottom 11 in the majors AL Central. White Sox now 20th. Quite strange to not see Houston (Abreu) and Philly up there. If Sox played their games in Detroit ... wow, they'd have Benintendi-like HR totals for most of their hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 13 minutes ago, greg775 said: Only if they can rattle off 8-10 wins in a row at some point. That losing streak was quite discerning and not conducive to making the postseason. Thanks Pedro for your work during that skid. Disconcerting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 Cleveland Guardians' Jose Ramirez seemingly unaffected by wearing Moncada Collection day-glo sleeves, socks and apparel. In all seriousness, Francona really runs a solid ship over there. Quality human being. AJ and Benetti on Fox Game of the Week just interviewed Cal Quantrill and it seemed our "homer" broadcasters were having a lot more fun than being around the White Sox debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 19 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: I miss the Go Go Sox years so much, from 1951 through 1967 the Sox were 380 games over .500. The W-L record was 1499-1119 for a .573 winning percentage. I did the homework awhile back and the only teams IIRC that won more games in those years were the Yankees and Dodgers. I also remember those pre homer happy years. A different style of ball suited to a different ballpark and ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 Let's break this down in even better perspective to exactly the seasons since 2013 through 2023, when Rick Hahn has been the General Manager, since his initial promotion in Oct. 26, 2012: TEAM W L W% 1 LAD 963 609 .613 2 NYY 889 683 .566 3 STL 872 698 .555 4 CLE 867 700 .553 5 HOU 862 707 .549 6 TB 847 726 .538 7 BOS 846 724 .539 8 ATL 824 744 .526 9 CHC 811 758 .517 10 MIL 805 766 .512 11 WAS 801 769 .510 12 TOT 797 774 .507 13 NYM 794 774 .505 14 SF 793 777 .505 15 SEA 789 781 .503 16 OAK 782 790 .497 17 LAA 771 800 .491 18 MIN 756 814 .482 19 PIT 752 815 .480 20 TEX 747 823 .476 21 ARI 733 837 .467 22 SD 731 839 .466 23 PHI 729 841 .464 24 KC 728 843 .463 25 COL 723 848 .460 26 CHW 722 849 .460 27 BAL 720 850 .459 28 DET 708 855 .453 29 CIN 707 863 .450 30 MIA 680 889 .433 Let's get the "accountability" perspective shown as Kenny Williams told us, that he and the organization stand for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said: Let's break this down in even better perspective to exactly the seasons since 2013 through 2023, when Rick Hahn has been the General Manager, since his initial promotion in Oct. 26, 2012: TEAM W L W% 1 LAD 963 609 .613 2 NYY 889 683 .566 3 STL 872 698 .555 4 CLE 867 700 .553 5 HOU 862 707 .549 6 TB 847 726 .538 7 BOS 846 724 .539 8 ATL 824 744 .526 9 CHC 811 758 .517 10 MIL 805 766 .512 11 WAS 801 769 .510 12 TOT 797 774 .507 13 NYM 794 774 .505 14 SF 793 777 .505 15 SEA 789 781 .503 16 OAK 782 790 .497 17 LAA 771 800 .491 18 MIN 756 814 .482 19 PIT 752 815 .480 20 TEX 747 823 .476 21 ARI 733 837 .467 22 SD 731 839 .466 23 PHI 729 841 .464 24 KC 728 843 .463 25 COL 723 848 .460 26 CHW 722 849 .460 27 BAL 720 850 .459 28 DET 708 855 .453 29 CIN 707 863 .450 30 MIA 680 889 .433 Let's get the "accountability" perspective shown as Kenny Williams told us, that he and the organization stand for. One of the great mysteries is what happened to the team down the stretch from 2012 into 2013. A team that plated much better defense in 2012 suddenly just fell apart, more or less. Eventually they would add Abreu, who was just a monster back then... but too little too late to turn things back around. Feels like none of their top prospects like Beckham Viciedo and Avisail from back then really lived up to their promise... and Anderson was such a raw prospect when he hit the big leagues as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Share Posted May 28, 2023 2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said: Let's break this down in even better perspective to exactly the seasons since 2013 through 2023, when Rick Hahn has been the General Manager, since his initial promotion in Oct. 26, 2012: TEAM W L W% 1 LAD 963 609 .613 2 NYY 889 683 .566 3 STL 872 698 .555 4 CLE 867 700 .553 5 HOU 862 707 .549 6 TB 847 726 .538 7 BOS 846 724 .539 8 ATL 824 744 .526 9 CHC 811 758 .517 10 MIL 805 766 .512 11 WAS 801 769 .510 12 TOT 797 774 .507 13 NYM 794 774 .505 14 SF 793 777 .505 15 SEA 789 781 .503 16 OAK 782 790 .497 17 LAA 771 800 .491 18 MIN 756 814 .482 19 PIT 752 815 .480 20 TEX 747 823 .476 21 ARI 733 837 .467 22 SD 731 839 .466 23 PHI 729 841 .464 24 KC 728 843 .463 25 COL 723 848 .460 26 CHW 722 849 .460 27 BAL 720 850 .459 28 DET 708 855 .453 29 CIN 707 863 .450 30 MIA 680 889 .433 Let's get the "accountability" perspective shown as Kenny Williams told us, that he and the organization stand for. This is one of the very FEW record breakdowns that even has historically abysmal KC over the Sox due largely to the 2013-2016 time period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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