8 minutes ago, wegner said:

Why didn't he just leave? Didn't Bartolo Colon do that once??

It was Jon Rauch before a game ended. Kenny immediately released him when he found out. 

Look at the guys that were traded out... I'm seeing guys that work their asses off, have worked through adversity, and are generally extremely competitive players. Apparently those are the guys the White Sox don't want around the team...

You can't make this s%*# up. This entire press conference has basically been Hahn attempting to trash the guys they traded away, attack their credibility, etc. Oh, those guys were part of the problem, that's why we traded them. 

Nobody is buying your bullshit.

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Riordan is Hahn's mouthpiece. Sounds like the plan is to blame this all on the players (fine, many deserve it) and exonerate management, same as the plan last season. Garfien and Ozzie have taken the same line based on quotes in game threads (I don't have cable TV or would watch their s%*# if I did).

 

Yeah but they're Hahn's players.

2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

It was Jon Rauch before a game ended. Kenny immediately released him when he found out. 

Oh I remember that but I thought Bartolo disappeared too?

1 minute ago, wegner said:

Oh I remember that but I thought Bartolo disappeared too?

He refused to report for a minor league rehab assignment claiming (seriously) he was distraught over an entertainers death. Ozzie threw all of his stuff from his locker into the hallway. 

Edited August 7, 20232 yr by Lip Man 1

Grifol said he knows what good culture looks like. How? Where? The KC Royals?

This is fucking insane. How do orgs go bankrupt? Slowly and all at once. They never corrected any of the problems that lead to the rebuild in the 1st place including:

1) overall org structure with clear chain of command

2) coaching staff competence and overall org pedagogy for teaching skills at every level

3) financial approach, specifically ending asinine policies like not extending SP and offering the "friends and family" discount plan instead of just the highest AAV.

Everything we are seeing right now is down to the slow organizational rot. Fish rots from the top down with JR. He's obviously ready to be put out to pasture and is intellectually incapable of running the team he owns. To a degree much higher than in the 90s and aughts.

1 minute ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Yeah but they're Hahn's players.

This sadly illustrates how inept Hahn is at finding winners and overachievers with desire, passion and pride. 

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

What's there to spin. Player wanted to leave early. FO said no. Player complained and another player took offense to the complaining of wanting to leave team. All was handled in house until someone leaked it to the media.

May not seem like much to spin to you, but hahn will do his best! 

 

I see you left the part out where player hits another player...."handled".....look where we are now. Sure seems "handled."

Just now, brijames1957 said:

Grifol said he knows what good culture looks like. How? Where? The KC Royals?

Which really isn't that difficult to know. None of us have been on a MLB team but we understand this culture sucks and others are successful. 

The Grifol comments were even worse. LOL. 

The White Sox are DOOMED.

5 minutes ago, wegner said:

Oh I remember that but I thought Bartolo disappeared too?

Lol I'm thinking of how Bartolo could possible disappear. Hiding behind a truck? 

4 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

He refused to report for a minor league rehab assignment claiming (seriously) he was distraught over an entertainers death. Ozzie threw all of his stuff from his locker into the hallway. 

You can't beat fun at the old ballpark

The Royals haven’t had a good/winning/positive culture since 2016…

1 minute ago, Texsox said:

Lol I'm thinking of how Bartolo could possible disappear. Hiding behind a truck? 

24 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

After hearing Rick just now, I’m totally good on him resigning today right now this very minute 

Obviously (x4) 

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

What's there to spin. Player wanted to leave early. FO said no. Player complained and another player took offense to the complaining of wanting to leave team. All was handled in house until someone leaked it to the media.

I think you left out one part of the reported story.

My takeaway from this is that TA cares more than people think, or give him credit for.

1 minute ago, lostfan said:

My takeaway from this is that TA cares more than people think, or give him credit for.

i mean have you seen his SM? dude is a fucking headcase that needs to listen to tyler the creator's advice on cyber bullying and logging out.

3 minutes ago, lostfan said:

My takeaway from this is that TA cares more than people think, or give him credit for.

Or it was just a peanut gallery comment and Grandal flipped out. 

18 minutes ago, brijames1957 said:

Grifol said he knows what good culture looks like. How? Where? The KC Royals?

Wow, Grifol's most delusional and total BS statement of the year. 

Hey Grifol...if you know what a good culture looks like, then why is your Sox team culture being questioned? 

Good managers and leaders already have the winning culture in place. They aren't having these press conferences in Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Los Angles (Dodgers), Baltimore and Texas to name a few. 

51 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

This is fucking insane. How do orgs go bankrupt? Slowly and all at once. They never corrected any of the problems that lead to the rebuild in the 1st place including:

1) overall org structure with clear chain of command

2) coaching staff competence and overall org pedagogy for teaching skills at every level

3) financial approach, specifically ending asinine policies like not extending SP and offering the "friends and family" discount plan instead of just the highest AAV.

Everything we are seeing right now is down to the slow organizational rot. Fish rots from the top down with JR. He's obviously ready to be put out to pasture and is intellectually incapable of running the team he owns. To a degree much higher than in the 90s and aughts.

The financial approach will never change. JR is set on staying under the luxury tax. He doesn't like the league of "he who has the most money wins." He's repeatedly said that is the issue with baseball. No competitive, cost controlled balance. 

30 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Wow, Grifol's most delusional and total BS statement of the year. 

Hey Grifol...if you know what a good culture looks like, then why is your Sox team culture being questioned? 

Good managers and leaders already have the winning culture in place. They aren't having these press conferences in Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Los Angles (Dodgers), Baltimore and Texas to name a few. 

The real question is has he been allowed to do what he wants with the team and rules. 

Like every other aspect we discussed here, no one makes the decisions in isolation. 

1 minute ago, ptatc said:

The financial approach will never change. JR is set on staying under the luxury tax. He doesn't like the league of "he who has the most money wins." He's repeatedly said that is the issue with baseball. No competitive, cost controlled balance. 

But the Yankees haven’t won in 14 years.

Mets and Padres spent their way out of the playoffs.

 

Teams like Cincy TB Mil AZ Miami Balt competitive for most of the the season.

The only reason the White Sox are still in Chicago is/was the limited spending across the AL Central the last two decades…especially CLE and Minnesota.

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

It was Jon Rauch before a game ended. Kenny immediately released him when he found out. 

Close.  I believe he got a shot at redemption in a start later.  In fact it may have been against the Cubs.  I actually don't remember who it was but he pitched well in his start after that incident.  Was traded for Everrett.  In fairness, from what I remember, Rauch left because he thought he was being sent down.  The odd thing about Ozzie is that as tough as he was on this and as ruthless as he was, he was restorative in his approach.  He allowed guys to have second chances if they took responsibility.  A similar thing happened with Marte that year.