Quin Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: So have other past GMs with the Sox and other teams GMs' as well that have had success. But how many of those people got GM roles without doing job interviews? It just shows how superior his vision is. Checkmate. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 10 minutes ago, Quin said: But how many of those people got GM roles without doing job interviews? It just shows how superior his vision is. Checkmate. Checkmate indeed. Irrefutable argument. @Quin is a master debater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 28 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: The thing to remember is Getz has his hands tied as he’s working for one of worst and cheapest owners in Baseball. That being said, when Ishbia takes over there is going to be a complete housecleaning with the GM and Field Manager the first to go. He knew what he was getting into when he took the job. I have no sympathy for him. And he's being well paid isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: He knew what he was getting into when he took the job. I have no sympathy for him. And he's being well paid isn't he? Depends on your angle. I would bet money that he is one of the lowest paid GMs in MLB. Is it more than most people? Sure. Compared to his peers? Hell no. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: He knew what he was getting into when he took the job. I have no sympathy for him. And he's being well paid isn't he? Exactly. Not many people would turn down a promotion, even if they aren’t qualified. You get the title for your resume and also get paid likely more money than you deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 20 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: The thing to remember is Getz has his hands tied as he’s working for one of worst and cheapest owners in Baseball. That being said, when Ishbia takes over there is going to be a complete housecleaning with the GM and Field Manager the first to go. The thing to remember is Chris Getz 100% deserved to be fired with the rest of the clown show back in 2023 and somehow was promoted instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 10 games worse than the next worse team in the AL, and that team traded half there roster at the deadline. Great hire JR. Can't waste a year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: He knew what he was getting into when he took the job. I have no sympathy for him. And he's being well paid isn't he? Plus, he wasn't very successful in this previous job in this organization. Classic example of failing upwards - that's the Reinsdorf way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 2 minutes ago, T R U said: The thing to remember is Chris Getz 100% deserved to be fired with the rest of the clown show back in 2023 and somehow was promoted instead. you beat me to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: He knew what he was getting into when he took the job. I have no sympathy for him. And he's being well paid isn't he? I wasn’t feeling sorry for him, he took the job knowing what he was getting into probably hoping it would lead to a GM job with a better and more competent organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) Another interesting tidbit… Since Kenny Williams joined the White Sox organization as a scout in 1992 until he was fired along with Hahn (whom first joined the Sox in 2002) after the 2023 season, the two worst seasons they both had were 100 losses in 2018 and 101 losses in 2023. Getz was also with the Sox for both of those seasons (2018 and 2023). Meanwhile, Getz is going to obliterate both Kenny and Hahn’s worst seasons in their entire tenures (in a variety of roles) with the Sox in his very first two seasons as GM. Yes, Getz indeed should have been canned along with Kenny and Hahn after the 2023 season. Edited September 25 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Jerry didn't want to hear free advice (criticism) and that's why there's Getz. A seasoned GM would say no or hell no to this job or hire them from a habitual losing organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 4 hours ago, ptatc said: Ill take that bet. Step on up to the counter. I'm guessing that's pretty much where the over/under will be next year and rightfully so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Chris in 4 years after not making the playoffs: "It was a hard decision, but we had to trade Colson to the Yankees to strengthen our future. Based on the returns we got from him and Schultz, I'm confident we'll make the playoffs by 2032." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 43 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: I wasn’t feeling sorry for him, he took the job knowing what he was getting into probably hoping it would lead to a GM job with a better and more competent organization. I don’t know why he felt that way. None of his predecessors walked that path. It actually seems like a dead end as opposed to an opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I don’t know why he felt that way. None of his predecessors walked that path. It actually seems like a dead end as opposed to an opportunity. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 He surely articulated a lower budget and successful vision of the organization to JR for why KW and Hahn should both be pushed out. No excuses now for being unable to succeed within those parameters. It's not like he promised to win with a $100-125 million payroll. And Quero, Crochet and Colson Montgomery all came to him thanks to Hahn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 17 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I'll be curious to read what those who have been defending him are saying when the Sox have their fourth straight season of 100+ losses in 2026, which will be Getz's third full season in charge. I guess that because I like to remain anchored in reality, I'm a Chris Getz "defender". I will say, "Hey, Liptak, duck!! These flying pigs are really dangerous!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) I would like to ask Lip and others: Would the Sox have been a fantastic organization the past couple decades had they simply kept Dombroski and hired Leyland? All this change and excellence was in our grasp. And also kept Harry Caray. Dombroski/Leyland woulda meant more division titles than you could count. Edited September 25 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: He surely articulated a lower budget and successful vision of the organization to JR for why KW and Hahn should both be pushed out. No excuses now for being unable to succeed within those parameters. It's not like he promised to win with a $100-125 million payroll. And Quero, Crochet and Colson Montgomery all came to him thanks to Hahn. Or really just a re-allocation of resources to development. Hahn is now saying he orchestrated his own firing. How is it we think that Getz is too stupid to breathe without setting reminder alarms on his phone, but is a mastermind in taking over an organization when he was basically 2 steps above peanut vendor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 2 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Or really just a re-allocation of resources to development. Hahn is now saying he orchestrated his own firing. How is it we think that Getz is too stupid to breathe without setting reminder alarms on his phone, but is a mastermind in taking over an organization when he was basically 2 steps above peanut vendor? Brilliant strategy. If all the focus is development and international...that buys you at least five years before you need to show any tangible results lol. He wasn't exactly a peanut vendor...but no other teams were seeking him out for their GM jobs. Yet he didn't even need to interview with JR. If I had that opportunity as owner, I?would get 8-10 potential plans for the future through that process instead of putting all my eggs in one internally siloed bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Brilliant strategy. If all the focus is development and international...that buys you at least five years before you need to show any tangible results lol. He wasn't exactly a peanut vendor...but no other teams were seeking him out for their GM jobs. Yet he didn't even need to interview with JR. If I had that opportunity as owner, I?would get 8-10 potential plans for the future through that process instead of putting all my eggs in one internally siloed bucket. I'm confused. Are you saying the White Sox should scrap any attempt at developing baseball players? Please, do expound. And just a quick note, they've picked up players in trade, off the waiver wire, the Rule 5 draft, signed minor league and major league free agents, made tweaks to their games, as well as developing their own drafted and international prospects. I'm sure you're not saying that guys like Colson, Houser, Meidroth, Vasil, Shane Smith, and others will take 5 full years before they show any success? Edited September 25 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 31 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I guess that because I like to remain anchored in reality, I'm a Chris Getz "defender". I will say, "Hey, Liptak, duck!! These flying pigs are really dangerous!!" You’re the guy that said the Sox could realistically play .500 ball from 8/1 thru the end of the season because they were a “different” team now. I laughed so hard at that then and still do now. So, no, you’re not “anchored in reality.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I'm confused. Are you saying the White Sox should scrap any attempt at developing baseball players? Please, do expound. And just a quick note, they've picked up players in trade, off the waiver wire, the Rule 5 draft, signed minor league and major league free agents, made tweaks to their games, as well as developing their own drafted and international prospects. I'm sure you're not saying that guys like Colson, Houser, Meidroth, Vasil, Shane Smith, and others will take 5 full years before they show any success? I'm assuming you mean Teel and not Houser/Mead. We'll see how Getz spins not getting to .500 by the end of 2027. Ofc a big part of that development (talent brought in) is related to being unable to afford Garrett Crochet in the first place. He's even more valuable now than he was a year ago. Red Sox had missed the postseason in 3 of 4 seasons or 4/5 or whatever the exact statistic is. They managed to secure that generational talent while holding on to all of their best prospects other than Teel and Braden, ranked fourth and sixth in their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: You’re the guy that said the Sox could realistically play .500 ball from 8/1 thru the end of the season because they were a “different” team now. I laughed so hard at that then and still do now. So, no, you’re not “anchored in reality.” "Since June 13, the Mets are 36-53. That’s the fifth-worst record in baseball over that span, better only than a quartet of doormats: the Rockies, the Twins, the Nationals and the White Sox. The Mets have gone from NL East favorites to wild-card wanna-bes. A pitching rotation that wowed for much of April and May is the most guilty culprit." yahoo.com/sports Nope still bottom 4. Fitting Sox and Nats end up playing each other. That record (by the way) wipes out a lot of April through mid May veteran roster filler excuses. Edited September 25 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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