Josh Barfield expected to be asst. GM; Brian Bannister and Gene Watson coming as well

[caulfield12]

But what happens to Jeremy Haber, lol?

 

This puts all the Dayton Moore rumors to bed, at least.

[Springfield Soxfan]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

But what happens to Jeremy Haber, lol?

 

This puts all the Dayton Moore rumors to bed, at least.

Excuse my ignorance or naivety but as to whom are they replacing?

[Balta1701]

6 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said:

Excuse my ignorance or naivety but as to whom are they replacing?

Here is the current White Sox front office.

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office
 

Jeremy Haber is currently listed as the assistant GM. They could certainly expand their staff and have more than one of those, but most likely he is being specifically replaced or moved to another position. The roles for the other two could be in n place of several different people, or again they could expand their staff.

[Quin]

53 minutes ago, bmags said:

The interesting thing about poaching from the giants pitching vs other strong pitching orgs like MIL is how much production they found on vet FAs. Turning guys like Gausman/Rodon into cy young candidates but just getting solid / good production out of desclafani s and Alex Cobb.

That would be a way to turn around at least 1 of our under producing units.

Get us back to 74 wins

Do the Giants really get credit for Rodon? Or is that Katz? 

Or is it Katz, via the Giants?

[South Side Hit Men]

I've been conditioned to expect the worst over the decades, but these look like positive developments.

Hoping to learn more over the next few weeks. Thanks for posting and the analysis Sox Peeps!

[Timmy U]

47 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said:

Excuse my ignorance or naivety but as to whom are they replacing?

Barfield is replacing Getz. Bannister replaces Tedford. I don’t know who the Sox director of pro scouting is, but whoever that is sucks, so it is at worst a lateral move.

[kitekrazy]

This organization is still too Royals heavy.

Sorry but the last guy ruins the list.

[Boopa1219]

2 hours ago, DirtySox said:

Hiring someone from outside the organization that seemingly has shown success in what they do? I don't understand.

It makes the decision to keep Pedro that much more puzzling 

[Boopa1219]

10 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I don’t know who the Sox director of pro scouting is, but whoever that is sucks, so it is at worst a lateral move.

 Hostetler was the pro guy 

[kitekrazy]

13 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

It makes the decision to keep Pedro that much more puzzling 

They don't want to fail being more Royal like.  I'm gonna be a Debbie Downer despite this news.  I'll wait for the parade.

[Soxfest]

More Royals cast of idiots 

[Chicago White Sox]

51 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

I don’t know who the Sox director of pro scouting is, but whoever that is sucks, so it is at worst a lateral move.

I recall feeling this way about Pedro vs. Tony and that turned out to be untrue. 

[Timmy U]

So more Royals stuff, Brian Bannister played most of his career with the Royals and was teammates with Getz there in 2010. He is the son of Sox great Floyd Bannister.  He went to the same high school as Paul Konerko.  He is also a super accomplished photographer, having been a Fine Arts major at USC.

[Boopa1219]

25 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

So more Royals stuff, Brian Bannister played most of his career with the Royals and was teammates with Getz there in 2010. He is the son of Sox great Floyd Bannister.  He went to the same high school as Paul Konerko.  He is also a super accomplished photographer, having been a Fine Arts major at USC.

Also happens to be highly regarded:

https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2019/06/07/boston-red-sox-brian-bannister-mvp-machine

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Barfield is replacing Getz. Bannister replaces Tedford. I don’t know who the Sox director of pro scouting is, but whoever that is sucks, so it is at worst a lateral move.

Should be Hostetler...?

[South Side Hit Men]

38 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

Also happens to be highly regarded:

https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2019/06/07/boston-red-sox-brian-bannister-mvp-machine

I believe this is the best baseball article I have read in 2023. Thank you for posting!

[bmags]

Guys just cause Bannister played for the royals doesnt mean anything. 

[bmags]

Some classic bannister media stuff:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-431/
 

https://youtu.be/33w1NYEDNz8?si=EVkxJh4LOG5964xw
 

[caulfield12]

“It's a reflection of the elitism now saturating the highest levels of baseball. The generation of young executives that believes it's reinventing the game could use a reminder that the truly elite wear the uniform. After all, a kid has a better chance of getting into Harvard than reaching the big leagues.

As the Red Sox seek a fresh start after four largely irrelevant seasons under Bloom, perhaps a return to the basics is in order. Prospects are to be nurtured and protected, but they can also be traded for proven talent. Payroll flexibility is nice, but only if you use it. The big-league club matters at least as much as the farm system.”

…..

Allow me this indulgence, but it's no coincidence the game's bloated titles have proliferated during the rise of the bloodlessly impersonal front office. Numbers matter more than people to such an extent that merely calling them numbers betrays your ignorance, because the correct term is "data."

Everything is a stat, everything can be quantified, and the numbers rule all. It's how the Red Sox could sign a parade of 7.00 ERA pitchers during Bloom's tenure, because the underlying data supported it. It's also why every front office now employs an army of analysts, whose primary purpose is to make the case for and against everyone, so nobody can make a decision or ever be wrong.

In a world where traditional baseball men are being composted in favor of cookie-cutter Ivy Leaguers with the same haircuts and the same idiosyncratically privileged degrees in Latin or art history, no one can settle for a quotidian title like general manager. Organizations must devote entirely too much thought to why their new leader should be called chief baseball officer, which is what the Red Sox settled on four years ago, and which I've resented typing ever since.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/simple-request-red-sox-hiring-171834000.html

[GreenSox]

11 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Rick Hahn did the literally the same exact thing once upon a time

Yes, perhaps in a fairytale.

[bmags]

18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

“It's a reflection of the elitism now saturating the highest levels of baseball. The generation of young executives that believes it's reinventing the game could use a reminder that the truly elite wear the uniform. After all, a kid has a better chance of getting into Harvard than reaching the big leagues.

As the Red Sox seek a fresh start after four largely irrelevant seasons under Bloom, perhaps a return to the basics is in order. Prospects are to be nurtured and protected, but they can also be traded for proven talent. Payroll flexibility is nice, but only if you use it. The big-league club matters at least as much as the farm system.”

…..

Allow me this indulgence, but it's no coincidence the game's bloated titles have proliferated during the rise of the bloodlessly impersonal front office. Numbers matter more than people to such an extent that merely calling them numbers betrays your ignorance, because the correct term is "data."

Everything is a stat, everything can be quantified, and the numbers rule all. It's how the Red Sox could sign a parade of 7.00 ERA pitchers during Bloom's tenure, because the underlying data supported it. It's also why every front office now employs an army of analysts, whose primary purpose is to make the case for and against everyone, so nobody can make a decision or ever be wrong.

In a world where traditional baseball men are being composted in favor of cookie-cutter Ivy Leaguers with the same haircuts and the same idiosyncratically privileged degrees in Latin or art history, no one can settle for a quotidian title like general manager. Organizations must devote entirely too much thought to why their new leader should be called chief baseball officer, which is what the Red Sox settled on four years ago, and which I've resented typing ever since.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/simple-request-red-sox-hiring-171834000.html

Yeah man. This is why the Sox and Rockies have been killing it while senseless nerds like the Astros, Rays and Orioles have been in the basement.

[bmags]

The Red Sox are going to yo yo constantly between this Cherington / Dombrowski yin Yang. Complain and tear each version down, meanwhile both versions are better than sox can throw out.

[kitekrazy]

1 hour ago, bmags said:

Yeah man. This is why the Sox and Rockies have been killing it while senseless nerds like the Astros, Rays and Orioles have been in the basement.

 

1 hour ago, bmags said:

The Red Sox are going to yo yo constantly between this Cherington / Dombrowski yin Yang. Complain and tear each version down, meanwhile both versions are better than sox can throw out.

Red Sox owner tried the Reinsdorf method large but small market approach.  Not really spending money.

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

 

Red Sox owner tried the Reinsdorf method large but small market approach.  Not really spending money.

Won't work in AL East.

[kitekrazy]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Won't work in AL East.

The Rays make it work but they are unusual.  Not everyone can model them and be successful.

Edited September 20, 2023 by kitekrazy